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To: CynicalBear; redleghunter; smvoice; metmom; Iscool
I’ve read them all. I’ll simply ask this, is repentance prior to or subsequent to salvation through grace? Put another way. Does repentance result in salvation?

Seeing as this is being asked and the same assertions are still being made that "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus" is contrary to what Paul preached, that of repentance and faith and which is thus confessed, then it is apparent that what i wrote had been ignored. Which is has been and yet which i have reiterated many times, and i should not have to do so again.

Simply put, what you do is driven by what you believe, and to believe in any moral being signifies a change of heart, thus believing on the Lord Jesus is an act of repentance, from unbelief to faith, and toward what faith in the Jesus Christ the righteous entails.

Therefore the call to believe is a call to repentant faith, and the call to repent is a fall to effectually believe, and to preach "repent and believe" is simply a reinforcement of the call to repentant faith.

Thus Paul, which is set forth as being contrary to Christ and Peter because they both preached repentance in order to be saved, declared that his message to both Jews and Gentiles was "repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ," "that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God," who "commandeth all men every where to repent" as conditions for salvation. (Acts 14:15; 17:30; 20:21)

It is faith that appropriates justification, but such faith is both repentant and is one that is confessed, and thus Paul again teaches,

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:10) which signifies salvation, thus Paul's words in Rm. 10:10

And as there is not real essential difference btwn moving your tongue (or even neurons in your brain) in confessing the Lord Jesus, and moving your legs in confessing the Lord in baptism, as both are responses, then that call to repent and be baptized is a call to faith, to call upon the Lord in faith to save you.

In contrast is Catholicism's baptismal regeneration in which the act itself ritually appropriates justification based on interior holiness even for one who cannot repent and believe.

Does repentance result in salvation?

That should never been asked if what i wrote was indeed read, for the Scriptural answer is yes, if it signifies faith in the heart in believing on the Lord Jesus, and which implicitly signifies repentance from competing lords or saviors. You cannot believe on the Lord Jesus and knowingly keep other competing lords or saviors, Muhammad, Mary or whatever else. .

And as Jesus is not a amoral Santa Clause, but the holy Lord who gave Himself a ransom for sinners, then implicit in believing is a change of heart that will effect a change in life, though this relates to how much light one has

287 posted on 11/26/2013 2:43:44 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; redleghunter; smvoice; metmom; Iscool
>> who "commandeth all men every where to repent" as conditions for salvation. Acts 14:15; 17:30; 20:21<<

As a “condition for salvation”? Where did you get that “condition for salvation” phrase from? Paul didn’t preach a “condition for salvation”.

\ Paul taught that faith and righteousness precede doing anything.

Romans 4:1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin." 9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12 and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Repentance is the result of the faith of Christ in us given through Grace of God. No one can say “I repented therefore I am saved”.

Paul when asked by the jailor “what must I do to be saved” said simply “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved – and your house”. If doing something is a “condition for salvation” then grace is no longer grace”.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

296 posted on 11/26/2013 3:35:56 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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