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SSPX disrupts interfaith service at Buenos Aires cathedral
The Deacon's Bench ^ | November 13, 2013 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 11/13/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by NYer

From the AP:

Ultra-traditionalist Catholics have openly challenged Pope Francis by disrupting one of his favorite events, a ceremony that he and Jewish leaders led in the Metropolitan Cathedral each year to promote religious harmony on the anniversary of the beginning of the Holocaust.

The annual ceremony brings together Catholics, Jews and Protestants to mark Kristallnacht, the Nazi-led mob violence in 1938 when about 1,000 Jewish synagogues were burned and thousands of Jews were forced into concentration camps, launching the genocide that killed 6 million Jews.

A small group disrupted Tuesday night’s ceremony by shouting the rosary and the “Our Father” prayer, and spreading pamphlets saying “followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple.”

Buenos Aires Archbishop Mario Poli, named by Francis to replace him as Argentina’s top church official, appealed for calm as others in the audience rose up to repudiate them, and the protesters were soon escorted out by police.

“Let there be peace. Shalom,” Poli then said, urging everyone to take their seats for a ceremony that was also led by Rabbi Abraham Skorka, a close friend of the pope who co-wrote a book of dialogue seeking common ground between Judaism and Catholicism.

“Dear Jewish brothers, please feel at home, because that’s the way Christians want it, despite these signs of intolerance,” Poli said. “Your presence here doesn’t desecrate a temple of God. We will continue in peace this encounter that Pope Francis always promoted, valued and appreciated so much.”

The Rev. Christian Bouchacourt, the South America leader of the Society of Saint Pius X, said Wednesday that the protesters belong to his organization and that they have a right to feel outraged when rabbis preside over a ceremony in a cathedral. “I recognize the authority of the pope, but he is not infallible and in this case, does things we cannot accept,” Bouchacourt said in an interview with Radio La Red.

“This wasn’t a desire to make a rebellion, but to show our love to the Catholic Church, which was made for the Catholic faith,” Bouchacourt added. “A Mass isn’t celebrated in a synagogue, nor in a mosque. The Muslims don’t accept it. In the same way, we who are Catholics cannot accept the presence of another faith in our church.”

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The Buenos Aires Herald has this account:

“A group of them attempted to spill their poison on the victims of the Holocaust,” said DAIA Jewish community group head Julio Schlosser, who was present at the meeting. “It’s very dangerous if we do not all publicly condemn acts like these, everyone, Jews, Catholics and Muslims.”

As the incident developed and the Lefebvrists, mainly youths, were insulted for their actions, Father Fernando Giannetti requested they leave in the name of Buenos Aires Archbishop Mario Poli, calling for those in attendance not to submit to “an act of provocation.”

After some minutes of tension, police officials arrived at the Cathedral, although they did not intervene, while Giannetti prayed Saint Francis of Assisi’s Prayer for Peace.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; Judaism
KEYWORDS: argentina; brokencaucus; catholic; holocaust; sspx
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To: BlueDragon
But praying to her?

From the the Hail Mary: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners...

Catholics are asking Mary to pray for us. Who do you think Mary is praying to?

81 posted on 11/14/2013 1:21:44 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple.”

I think it’s statements such as this, which are being called “poison.”

________________________________________

It certainly looks like poison to me. Satan encourages and relishes division.


82 posted on 11/14/2013 2:41:12 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

then quoting me as to an "itch" towards a particular sort of reply --- doesn't quite cut it, for that "itch" is a widely dispersed sort of thing.

Look, you started the "getting personal" road with me, the moment you began the amateur catechumen question-and-answer lecture series. If you have something to say, just say it. Don't drag me into it. But see? Since you began this stuff, I can't get away from it, without getting "personal" in return. Happy now?

That sort of thing makes it impossible to communicate.

The "itch" I was speaking about is the typical, expected reaction to certain statements. I've seen the discussions a THOUSAND TIMES. It rarely changes...

The hint that it is "out there" speaks of more than one person, again, towards typical response.

83 posted on 11/14/2013 3:05:49 PM PST by BlueDragon (...one of these days Alice, to the MOON!)
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To: NYer

If you’re in the SSPX, and you’re trying to make the argument that you’re the good guys and the regular Catholic Church are the bad guys by trying to shout down a Kristallnacht memorial service, you’re doing it wrong. And if you’re trying to justify it to a group of Catholics, Protestants and Jews by calling the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob a false god, you deserve the Nelson Muntz point-and-laugh.


84 posted on 11/14/2013 3:07:00 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: ebb tide

difference between dulia & veneration = puh-tAY-toe po-tAH-toe


85 posted on 11/14/2013 3:13:02 PM PST by BlueDragon (...one of these days Alice, to the MOON!)
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To: BlueDragon

You said you knew the itch was out there; you were addressing me, only. You asked me to admit it. I don’t have an itch. You were wrong.


86 posted on 11/14/2013 3:23:25 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: BlueDragon
If you have something to say, just say it. Don't drag me into it.

Heck! You dragged your own self onto this thread by disparaging Catholicism and the Blessed Mother. I do have something to say; and I've been saying it. I'm sorry you don't like it.

87 posted on 11/14/2013 3:40:15 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: BlueDragon
difference between dulia & veneration = puh-tAY-toe po-tAH-toe

No the difference is between dulia/hyperdulia and latria. That's where many non-Catholics are confused and think we worship Mary and the saints.

88 posted on 11/14/2013 4:08:37 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
That is incorrect.
I did not "disparage" the "blessed mother". But I did disparage Roman Catholic attitude, doctrine, and practice, towards that person, on principles which I took some effort to define.

But still --- this is becoming all about "me". Just STOP doing that.

Speak to issues, stick to those as much as possible. Leave my own "person" out of it.

89 posted on 11/14/2013 4:28:08 PM PST by BlueDragon (...one of these days Alice, to the MOON!)
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To: ebb tide
Look, I know the difference between the terms used. Lecturing me now, like; though understandable on one level, is insensible as reply to my own pointing out that there is no real difference (theologically speaking) between "dulia" and "veneration", for I was replying to; which results in this sort of insensible back-and-forth to being as time-consuming, as it can be maddening, for the "target" of conversation is shifted ever-so slightly so as to be able to give me a "no" -- which should instead have elicited a "yes" they are much the same, before launching on towards discussion of what "non-Catholics don't understand".

I understand the theology and the apologetic better than most "Catholics". So please --skip the two-bit lectures when addressing myself. It only serves to further irritate. But congratulations! We have now gone far afield from the more central point which I raised.

The "Our Father" instructional given by Christ Himself, does not include addressing prayers to anyone but the Creator, Himself.

90 posted on 11/14/2013 4:42:23 PM PST by BlueDragon (...one of these days Alice, to the MOON!)
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To: ebb tide

I know from both experience, and the Spirit also -- that there will be at least one who encounters the words previous to those, while yet reading those -- will have their mind turn towards the sort of thinking I outlined -- before getting to the outlining of the thought.

As I said --- "out there".

91 posted on 11/14/2013 4:48:47 PM PST by BlueDragon ("I know thse people like I know ever inch of my glorious naked body" --- El Rushbo)
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To: BlueDragon
The "Our Father" instructional given by Christ Himself, does not include addressing prayers to anyone but the Creator, Himself.

Once again, if Jesus' Father is "our Father", who's "our Mother"?

Do you claim to have the same Father of Christ but not his same mother?

92 posted on 11/14/2013 4:56:35 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

And what did I say about "itches"...?

Itch scratched. Objections notwithstanding

93 posted on 11/14/2013 5:00:29 PM PST by BlueDragon ("I know these people like I know ever inch of my glorious naked body" --- El Rushbo)
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To: BlueDragon
I know from both experience, and the Spirit also --

What else has this "spirit" been telling you? Am I one of those "catholic" demons"?

94 posted on 11/14/2013 5:06:31 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
I'm sorry, but I don't care to answer loaded questions at this time, for I'd just as soon not need expend time & effort towards first unloading the assembly of leading, even tending towards being accusatory questions.

Particularly after having dealt with the very issue in another manner --- twice over, and have had those efforts seemingly, entirely ignored.

You may do as you wish -- but I would advise others to just do as Christ directed (as to how to pray) instead.

95 posted on 11/14/2013 5:08:01 PM PST by BlueDragon ("I know these people like I know ever inch of my glorious naked body" --- El Rushbo)
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To: ebb tide
That's another loaded question --- showing that you either did not understand what I wrote --- or else are subtly shifting my own words into that which I did not say.

You will need to re-frame that question, if answer is expected. Then -- not complain when it is answered.

To do so, to possibly better understand my intended meanings better -- you may need to go back to the comment which you now reference, and carefully re-read it in entirety. Then, it may be possible for you to better understand. As the question is framed --- shows me that is not, or else is being misconstrued.

Whether that be accidental or not --- I do not know --- but will tell you --- that sort of thing --- "demons" do thrive upon. They just love subtle little twists of meaning and implication, which they can use to change perceptions, if not set people at one anothers' throats.

96 posted on 11/14/2013 5:18:31 PM PST by BlueDragon ("I know these people like I know ever inch of my glorious naked body" --- El Rushbo)
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To: BlueDragon
I'm sorry, but I don't care to answer loaded questions at this time...

I understand you consternation. Let me know when you're ready to answer them.

97 posted on 11/14/2013 5:23:19 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: BlueDragon
You will need to re-frame that question, if answer is expected.

I expect no answers from you; you have provided none to date.

98 posted on 11/14/2013 5:31:29 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita
As you rightly noted, concerning;

saying as towards that [above];

Exactly. And some tried to hide (and justify) it behind rosary beads/prayer. Just lovely isn't it?

99 posted on 11/14/2013 5:41:38 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
Then, it may be possible for you to better understand.

I'm sorry; I'm not a charismatic Catholic, so I don't understand "tongues". And I don't believe those who claim they do.

100 posted on 11/14/2013 5:44:31 PM PST by ebb tide
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