Posted on 11/13/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by NYer
From the the Hail Mary: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners...
Catholics are asking Mary to pray for us. Who do you think Mary is praying to?
“followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple.”
I think it’s statements such as this, which are being called “poison.”
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It certainly looks like poison to me. Satan encourages and relishes division.
then quoting me as to an "itch" towards a particular sort of reply --- doesn't quite cut it, for that "itch" is a widely dispersed sort of thing.
Look, you started the "getting personal" road with me, the moment you began the amateur catechumen question-and-answer lecture series. If you have something to say, just say it. Don't drag me into it. But see? Since you began this stuff, I can't get away from it, without getting "personal" in return. Happy now?
That sort of thing makes it impossible to communicate.
The "itch" I was speaking about is the typical, expected reaction to certain statements. I've seen the discussions a THOUSAND TIMES. It rarely changes...
The hint that it is "out there" speaks of more than one person, again, towards typical response.
If you’re in the SSPX, and you’re trying to make the argument that you’re the good guys and the regular Catholic Church are the bad guys by trying to shout down a Kristallnacht memorial service, you’re doing it wrong. And if you’re trying to justify it to a group of Catholics, Protestants and Jews by calling the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob a false god, you deserve the Nelson Muntz point-and-laugh.
difference between dulia & veneration = puh-tAY-toe po-tAH-toe
You said you knew the itch was out there; you were addressing me, only. You asked me to admit it. I don’t have an itch. You were wrong.
Heck! You dragged your own self onto this thread by disparaging Catholicism and the Blessed Mother. I do have something to say; and I've been saying it. I'm sorry you don't like it.
No the difference is between dulia/hyperdulia and latria. That's where many non-Catholics are confused and think we worship Mary and the saints.
But still --- this is becoming all about "me". Just STOP doing that.
Speak to issues, stick to those as much as possible. Leave my own "person" out of it.
I understand the theology and the apologetic better than most "Catholics". So please --skip the two-bit lectures when addressing myself. It only serves to further irritate. But congratulations! We have now gone far afield from the more central point which I raised.
The "Our Father" instructional given by Christ Himself, does not include addressing prayers to anyone but the Creator, Himself.
I know from both experience, and the Spirit also -- that there will be at least one who encounters the words previous to those, while yet reading those -- will have their mind turn towards the sort of thinking I outlined -- before getting to the outlining of the thought.
As I said --- "out there".
Once again, if Jesus' Father is "our Father", who's "our Mother"?
Do you claim to have the same Father of Christ but not his same mother?
And what did I say about "itches"...?
Itch scratched. Objections notwithstanding
What else has this "spirit" been telling you? Am I one of those "catholic" demons"?
Particularly after having dealt with the very issue in another manner --- twice over, and have had those efforts seemingly, entirely ignored.
You may do as you wish -- but I would advise others to just do as Christ directed (as to how to pray) instead.
You will need to re-frame that question, if answer is expected. Then -- not complain when it is answered.
To do so, to possibly better understand my intended meanings better -- you may need to go back to the comment which you now reference, and carefully re-read it in entirety. Then, it may be possible for you to better understand. As the question is framed --- shows me that is not, or else is being misconstrued.
Whether that be accidental or not --- I do not know --- but will tell you --- that sort of thing --- "demons" do thrive upon. They just love subtle little twists of meaning and implication, which they can use to change perceptions, if not set people at one anothers' throats.
I understand you consternation. Let me know when you're ready to answer them.
I expect no answers from you; you have provided none to date.
saying as towards that [above];
It certainly looks like poison to me
Exactly. And some tried to hide (and justify) it behind rosary beads/prayer. Just lovely isn't it?
I'm sorry; I'm not a charismatic Catholic, so I don't understand "tongues". And I don't believe those who claim they do.
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