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To: metmom
scribes were hired to read and write things....get real! Got proof?

I can't PROVE that Christ was God, but common sense prevails (as my tagline points out)I know that books were an ultra expensive luxury in those days, that there was no paper to write on, that writing instruments were not easily obtainable because nobody needed them, Staples had no store in Jerusalem, don't you have any concept of common sense or reality at all.....it should be apparent to all, based on what we all know what the conditions were, at that historical time, that the written word was available to the masses only by word of mouth.

a learned person wriote it, a learned person read it, and passed it along to the people by telling them what the document said...as Obama says......PERIOD

605 posted on 10/31/2013 7:00:54 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl; metmom
but common sense prevails (as my tagline points out)I know that books were an ultra expensive luxury in those days, that there was no paper to write on, that writing instruments were not easily obtainable because nobody needed them, Staples had no store in Jerusalem, don't you have any concept of common sense or reality at all.....it should be apparent to all, based on what we all know what the conditions were, at that historical time, that the written word was available to the masses only by word of mouth.

You're only applying what your own "common sense" informs your opinion. How much study on this subject have you spent? You have yet to post ANY resources that detail the literacy rates or capabilities of ancient people. Have you heard of the Great Library of Alexandria? Here's some info:

    The Royal Library of Alexandria, or Ancient Library of Alexandria, in Alexandria, Egypt, was one of the largest and most significant libraries of the ancient world. It flourished under the patronage of the Ptolemaic dynasty and functioned as a major center of scholarship from its construction in the 3rd century BC until the Roman conquest of Egypt in 30 BC. With collections of works, lecture halls, meeting rooms, and gardens, the library was part of a larger research institution called the Musaeum of Alexandria, where many of the most famous thinkers of the ancient world studied.

    The library was conceived and opened either during the reign of Ptolemy I Soter (323–283 BC) or during the reign of his son Ptolemy II (283–246 BC). As a symbol of the wealth and power of Egypt, it employed many scribes to borrow books from around the known world, copy them, and return them. Most of the books were kept as papyrus scrolls, and though it is unknown how many such scrolls were housed at any given time, their combined value was incalculable.

    The library is famous for having been burned, resulting in the loss of many scrolls and books, and has become a symbol of the destruction of cultural knowledge. Ancient sources differ widely on who is responsible for the destruction and when it occurred. Although there is a mythology of the burning of the Library at Alexandria, the library may have suffered several fires or acts of destruction over many years. Possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria include a fire set by Julius Caesar in 48 BC, an attack by Aurelian in the 270s AD, the decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus in 391, and the Muslim conquest of Egypt in 642.

    After the main library was fully destroyed, ancient scholars used a "daughter library" in a temple known as the Serapeum, located in another part of the city. According to Socrates of Constantinople, Pope Theophilus destroyed the Serapeum in 391 AD.

    Although the exact layout is not known, ancient sources describe the Library of Alexandria as comprising a collection of scrolls, a peripatos walk, a room for shared dining, a reading room, meeting rooms, gardens, and lecture halls, The influence of this model may still be seen today in the layout of university campuses. The library itself is known to have had an acquisitions department (possibly built near the stacks, or for utility closer to the harbour), and a cataloguing department. A hall contained shelves for the collections of papyrus scrolls known as bibliothekai (βιβλιοθῆκαι). According to popular description, an inscription above the shelves read: The place of the cure of the soul.[1]

    The library was but one part of the Musaeum of Alexandria, which functioned as a sort of research institute. In addition to the library the Musaeum included rooms for the study of astronomy, anatomy, and even a zoo of exotic animals. The classical thinkers who studied, wrote, and experimented at the Musaeum include the fathers of mathematics, engineering, physiology, geography, and medicine. These included notable thinkers such as Euclid, Archimedes, Eratosthenes, Herophilus, Erasistratus, Hipparchus, Aedesia, Pappus, Theon, Hypatia, Aristarchus of Samos, and Saint Catherine.

    The Library at Alexandria was in charge of collecting all the world's knowledge, and most of the staff was occupied with the task of translating works onto papyrus paper.[8] It did so through an aggressive and well-funded royal mandate involving trips to the book fairs of Rhodes and Athens.[13] According to Galen, any books found on ships that came into port were taken to the library,[11] and were listed as "books of the ships".[14] Official scribes then copied these writings; the originals were kept in the library, and the copies delivered to the owners.[14] Other than collecting works from the past, the library served as home to a host of international scholars, well-patronized by the Ptolemaic dynasty with travel, lodging, and stipends for their whole families.[6]

    According to Galen, Ptolemy III requested permission from the Athenians to borrow the original scripts of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides, for which the Athenians demanded the enormous amount of fifteen talents (450 kg) of a precious metal as guarantee. Ptolemy III happily paid the fee but kept the original scripts for the library.[15] This story may also be construed erroneously to show the power of Alexandria over Athens during the Ptolemaic dynasty. This detail is due to the fact that Alexandria was a man-made bidirectional port between the mainland and the Pharos island, welcoming trade from the East and West, and soon found itself to be an international hub for trade, the leading producer of papyrus and, soon enough, books.[16]

    The editors at the Library of Alexandria are especially well known for their work on Homeric texts. The more famous editors generally also held the title of head librarian. These included Zenodotus, Callimachus, (the first bibliographer and developer of the Pinakes, popularly considered to be the first library catalog), Apollonius of Rhodes, Eratosthenes, Aristophanes of Byzantium, and Aristarchus of Samothrace, among others.[17] In the early 2nd century BC scholars began to abandon Alexandria for safer areas with more generous patronage, and in 145 BC Ptolemy VIII expelled all foreign scholars from Alexandria.

    Although the various component parts of the physical library were destroyed, in fact the centres of academic excellence had already moved to various capital cities. Furthermore, it is possible that most of the material from the Library of Alexandria actually survived, by way of the Academy of Gondishapur and the House of Wisdom during Islamic Golden Age. This material may then have been preserved by the Reconquista, which led to the formation of European Universities and the recompilation of ancient texts from formerly scattered fragments. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria)


622 posted on 10/31/2013 11:33:34 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: terycarl
...don't you have any concept of common sense or reality at all.....

Now I don't care WHAT others say; this is downright funny; coming from YOU!

636 posted on 11/01/2013 3:02:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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