Posted on 10/27/2013 5:25:55 AM PDT by NYer
“Yet, man “does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God” and I don’t think Christ was contradicting himself when he called him self “living bread”. Christ gave his body once, we take the bread and cup in remembrance of that fact. But the word of God pours forth continuously via the Holy Spirit that resides in every believer’s heart. By repentance and confession of faith do we eat of that “living bread that came down from heaven”; Christ gave his body once, by conversion, we eat of his body once ....the periodic taking of the cup and bread is in remembrance of that fact. Christ is also known as the “word made flesh”, and it is the Spirit of God that writes this “word” in our inward parts and continuously renews our inner man daily, not a “consecrated” wafer and cup!!!
I won’t argue over ‘living presence’ or ‘transubstantiation” with you, other than what I’ve just said.
Lots of typical catholic erroneous comments spewing uncontrollably from your keyboard.
>> “Both this and the Protestant position appear to be that God was either unwilling or too weak to prevent the Church he founded from teaching sin and error” <<
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The Whore and her daughters is not just catholic in nature; it does include many protestants too. Yehova did protect his word by preserving sufficient copies of the Hebrew original of Matthew’s gospel for the time that it really matters.
The deliberate corruption that the RCC fostered is very much a part of Yehova’s plan, as he so clearly states in the Revelation.
He does not claim to be saving the masses, but a small remnant to enjoy his rest.
The “passover” in John 6 was a false addition by an obvious non-Jew translator, as can be seen by the lack of understanding shown. John would never have called Passover “a feast of the Jews” since he clearly knew that it was a required feast for all the nations. The time setting is clarified by comparison with the other gospels, thus proving beyond any doubt that the impending feast was Yom Teruah, and that the elapsed time was exactly correct to match the Sukkot mentioned in chapter 7.
Finally, Yeshua could not miss any required feast, since a violation of Torah would have disqualified him from the sinlessness needed to be the perfect sacrifice. He fulfilled every requirement, including those that trouble the false doctrines of the Whore and her daughters.
Isaiah 45:7 says: “Forming light and creating darkness..I am the LORD that does all these.
Again we see the inconsistency of Catholic teaching and thought in that the very Scripture Catholics deny as authoritative is being used in an authoritative way to give their church its authority.
That's pulling themselves up by their boot straps.
Preach it, brother.
On the contrary, the scripture you 'worship' supports the existence of the Catholic Church before it was written and compiled into the New Testament.
"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian."
St. Athanasius ("Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuisc," c. 360 A.D.
>> “not a “consecrated” wafer and cup!” <<
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This “consecrated” drivel is pure Nicolaitanism.
When Yeshua broke the loaf at his last supper, what he “blessed” was the Father, Yehova Elohim, who brings forth bread and wine from the Earth.
Only a nicolaitan can “consecrate” an inanimate object, and he needs Satan’s help to do it.
So we kinda agree?
>> “St. Athanasius (”Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuisc,” c. 360 A.D.” <<
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The time that the anti-scriptural Roman catholic church was founded on persecution of the real followers of The Way.
There was a real church for almost 300 years before the fiction called the Roman catholic church was created.
The two are opposites.
I’d say so.
For something to be ADDED TO, it must already EXIST.
Narcissistic much?
Pardon my cynicism but 100% men fight their own fights and don’t run to the teacher all the time. Just sayin.
>> “For something to be ADDED TO, it must already EXIST.” <<
Definitely, and so did most if not all of the congregations that Paul and Peter ministered to exist prior to their visits. Many of them also had their Torah scrolls that had been brought to those locations well before The Way had been preached to them.
These were established congregations of believers that needed the full message.
>> “I love living in the heads of prots rent free” <<
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Perhaps you live in your own imagination.
Athanasius who???
oops! ;o)
It is disingenuous playing with words. When RCs say the "Bible" they don't mean sacred Scripture, but the compiled volume containing all the books that make up the Bible canon. The one THEY claim they created as well as wrote - since they can, at will, go back in time and label all Christians, including the Apostles (and even the Jewish Patriarchs), as "Catholics". That's why they say the Bible didn't exist until the first council occurred three to four hundred years after the last Apostle died and which identified all the books that make up the Bible canon.
Conveniently, they ignore the lists some of the early church fathers wrote (i.e., Ireneaus, Tertullian, Origen) that DO usually identify the books accepted by the early Christians and recognized as well as read and studied by them. That these books had Apostolic sanction was the major reason why they were received as God-breathed Scripture. The Christians didn't need to wait for some "official" church council to believe the doctrines espoused within these epistles. Their divine origin was intrinsically understood and was why the doctrines they communicated were obeyed and why they had a "rule of faith" long before a formal canon was recognized.
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