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To: metmom; NYer
Accordingly, the Bible can be considered to be two things – it is younger than the Catholic Church and it is the product of the Catholic Church. This means that the Bible is not the sole rule of faith for Christians, but rather “the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth” as it says in I Timothy 3:15.

Again we see the inconsistency of Catholic teaching and thought in that the very Scripture Catholics deny as authoritative is being used in an authoritative way to give their church its authority. That's pulling themselves up by their boot straps.

It is disingenuous playing with words. When RCs say the "Bible" they don't mean sacred Scripture, but the compiled volume containing all the books that make up the Bible canon. The one THEY claim they created as well as wrote - since they can, at will, go back in time and label all Christians, including the Apostles (and even the Jewish Patriarchs), as "Catholics". That's why they say the Bible didn't exist until the first council occurred three to four hundred years after the last Apostle died and which identified all the books that make up the Bible canon.

Conveniently, they ignore the lists some of the early church fathers wrote (i.e., Ireneaus, Tertullian, Origen) that DO usually identify the books accepted by the early Christians and recognized as well as read and studied by them. That these books had Apostolic sanction was the major reason why they were received as God-breathed Scripture. The Christians didn't need to wait for some "official" church council to believe the doctrines espoused within these epistles. Their divine origin was intrinsically understood and was why the doctrines they communicated were obeyed and why they had a "rule of faith" long before a formal canon was recognized.

539 posted on 10/30/2013 3:41:36 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; metmom
When RCs say ...

It seems that no matter how many attempts are made to correct you, your misinterpretation persists.


The Catholic Church

The "R" represents one portion of the Catholic Church, which is comprised of 22 Churches.

Conveniently, they ignore the lists some of the early church fathers wrote (i.e., Ireneaus, Tertullian, Origen) that DO usually identify the books accepted by the early Christians and recognized as well as read and studied by them.

"Although dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, the Church has received this faith from the apostles and their disciples....  The Church received this preaching and this faith.  Although she is scattered throughout the whole world, yet, she carefully preserves it, as if she occupied only one house.   She also believes these points just as if she had only one soul, and one and the same heart.  She proclaims these things, teaches them, and hands them down, with perfect harmony, as if she possessed only one mouth.  For although the languages of the world are different, yet the significance of the tradition is one and the same.   For the churches which have been planted in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different.  Neither do those in Spain, Gaul, the East, Egypt, Libya, or in the central regions of the world."  St. Irenaeus ("Against All Heresies," c. 180 A.D.)

541 posted on 10/30/2013 3:57:54 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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