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To: vladimir998

“You make the word “available to everyone” by making sure to “preach the word”. PREACHING. That’s how Jesus did it. That’s how the Apostles did it. That’s how the Church has always done it.”


LOL, look at the mind of the Papist, who wants the Bible taken out of the hand, so it can be placed into the mouth of their ignorant Priests:

“as Bishop John Hooper recorded in 1551, ignorance among the priesthood continued as the rule of the day. When this Bishop of Worcester and Gloucester made the rounds of his diocese, he found that of 311 clergymen, 171 could not repeat the Ten Commandments, 10 could not say the Lord’s Prayer in English, and seven did not know its author. Tyndale, a Catholic priest, was much grieved by the anomalies in the Church. So at age 30, although still a priest, he chose to be tutor of Sir John Walsh, a knight of Gloucestershire, from 1521 to 1523.

The hospitality of Sir John and Lady Walsh often resulted in doctors and abbots sharing a meal with William Tyndale, where many a debate ensued. At one time a learned churchman said to Tyndale, “We were better to be without God’s laws than the Pope’s.” Tyndale recognised that this sadly summarised the prevailing view of many church leaders, who had little knowledge of the Scriptures.”

http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/tyndale

But Theodoret specifically referenced the scripture being made present, and preaching is mentioned only later in the text. Obviously scripture can be written, or it can be read, but either way it is available in some written form, as Theodoret mentions in another place:

“’When you come, bring the cloak I left with Carpus at Troas, and the books, especially the parchments’ (v.13). By parchments he referred to the scrolls, this being the way the Romans refer to the skins. In olden times they kept the divine Scriptures on scrolls, and this is the way the Jews keep them to the present day.” (Theodoret of Cyrus (around A.D. 393 to around A.D. 457), Commentary on 2 Timothy, Chapter 4, in Theodoret of Cyrus, Commentary on the Letters of St. Paul, Volume 2, p. 248 (2001), Robert C. Hill translator.)

More, this time from John Chrysostom:

“... this I say, not to prevent you from procuring Bibles, on the contrary, I exhort and earnestly pray that you do this” (Homilies on the Gospel According to St. John, 32:3)

“It is a great thing, this reading of the Scriptures!...For it is not possible, I say not possible, ever to exhaust the mind of the Scriptures. It is a well which has no bottom....How many persons, do you suppose, have spoken upon the Gospels? And yet all have spoken in a way which was new and fresh. For the more one dwells on them, the more insight does he get, the more does he behold the pure light.” (Homilies on the Acts of the Apostles, 19)

“And so ye also, if ye be willing to apply to the reading of him [Paul] with a ready mind, will need no other aid. For the word of Christ is true which saith, ‘Seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.’ (Matt. vii. 7.)...For from this it is that our countless evils have arisen - from ignorance of the Scriptures; from this it is that the plague of heresies has broken out; from this that there are negligent lives; from this labors without advantage. For as men deprived of this daylight would not walk aright, so they that look not to the gleaming of the Holy Scriptures must needs be frequently and constantly sinning, in that they are walking the worst darkness.” (Homilies on the Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans, The Argument)

Read more: http://www.peacebyjesus.net/ancients_on_scripture.html#Distribution#ixzz2imedryTi

“Go ahead and compare. Everything I said is absolutely true”


So are you going to conk out from the logical inconsistency of your posts and therefore leave us alone? Probably not. Would that you were one of those androids from that one episode of Star Trek, then you would not be able to trouble us further!


31 posted on 10/25/2013 5:35:31 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“So are you going to conk out from the logical inconsistency of your posts and therefore leave us alone?”

I have never been logically inconsistent. I don’t know how to do that. I don’t have a Protestant/government school education so it is a completely foreign thing to me. I have seen it - after all I have read your posts - but I like simply getting things right repeatedly. Life is just simpler and easier that way. Maybe you should try that.

“Probably not. Would that you were one of those androids from that one episode of Star Trek, then you would not be able to trouble us further!”

So the truth troubles you? Well, no real surprise there.

“as Bishop John Hooper recorded in 1551”

I recently encountered a young Protestant couple. They’re really nice young people. He is interested in joining the Catholic Church. She’s more hesitant. He is Lutheran. She is Baptist. He knew something about the Bible. She really didn’t. He talked about how he is trying to keep up with all of the “new” things he is learning: terms, Church teachings, learning about the Bible in a way he never had before, etc. There are plenty of ignorant Protestants STILL out there just like there are plenty of ignorant Catholics. And? Now, I say all of that before I say this: in 1551 - that’s almost 20 years after Henry seized control of the Catholic Church in England - there were few educated Catholic priests left in England because most of them were murdered or forced to flee by then. St. John Fisher - considered one of the greatest scholars of his day as well as a model bishop - was martyred in the 1530s.

By the way, three of the priests Hooper interviewed said it was the King of England who wrote the Lord’s Prayer. They had assimilated the import of the Protestant royal supremacy over the Church in England even as they did not learn the faith. These men were products of their Protestant times as much as anything else. See Powell’s 1971 article called “The Beginnings of Protestantism in Gloucester”. Do I even need to bring up how Rosemary O’Day has put together a good case about how the Protestant clergy from that point on took on the shape of a separate caste from the people, in other words, a “profession”? What I always found so ironic about that is how much Protestants rail against a hierarchical separation between clergy and laity among Catholics and yet completely ignore their own.


44 posted on 10/25/2013 6:18:01 PM PDT by vladimir998
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