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To: vladimir998

“Permission was clearly freely given...”


Compare with what you wrote earlier:

“Unless you were English after 1408 or in France during the Albigensian heresy you never needed anyone’s permission in the first place.”

Also note the underlying assumption here... that man needs permission from your religion in order to read the scripture. Secondly, that the Roman Catholic Church possesses the power to give this permission, and therefore has the power to restrain it, and that man has no inherit power to read the scripture, but must petition it from his betters, many of whom had bought their Bishopric in the first place, and were mostly a gaggle of whoremongers, drunks, and other types of fiends who found their way into power within your infallible church.

Next, compare this to the words of the early church Fathers, even during times in which horrible heresies existed:

Theodoret of Cyrus:

Scripture Must Be Universally Available

“Having thus brought out the benefit of the divinely-inspired Scripture, he bids him make it available to everyone, and instills dead by his adjuration. I adjure you, therefore, in the presence of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is due to judge living and dead: in view of his coming and his kingdom, preach the word (vv.1-2). Fearful of rendering an account, the divine apostle never ceases to impress this on the disciple with his adjuration.” (Theodoret of Cyrus (around A.D. 393 to around A.D. 457), Commentary on 2 Timothy, Chapter 4, in Theodoret of Cyrus, Commentary on the Letters of St. Paul, Volume 2, p. 246 (2001), Robert C. Hill translator.)

Isn’t the real truth simply that your religion, thumping its chest, having gotten control over the church, sought to control even the thoughts of their subjects?

But thanks be to God that your religion’s power was wrested away, and they, who once made Kings to fear, are now the laughing stock of the whole world. So much so that your own Popes tell Atheists they can get to heaven, provided they follow their own conscience towards the common “Good”.


21 posted on 10/25/2013 4:55:04 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You wrote:

“Compare with what you wrote earlier”

Go ahead and compare. Everything I said is absolutely true. Permissions were freely given by Bishops. The permissions I was referring to was specifically continental and post mid 16th century. England in 1408 was neither continental now merely after 1408. Do you see the difference? It helps if you know about history and geography. Really, it does.

About Theodoret:

“...he bids him make it available to everyone, ...preach the word...”

You make the word “available to everyone” by making sure to “preach the word”. PREACHING. That’s how Jesus did it. That’s how the Apostles did it. That’s how the Church has always done it.


24 posted on 10/25/2013 5:20:52 PM PDT by vladimir998
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