“vladimir, you have a reputation for arrogance, and this only adds to it.”
I don’t mind being judged arrogant by those who seem to incompetent.
“It is the responsibility fo the poster making such a historical assertion to document it, not those who question it.”
I see no reason to view “responsibility” as defined by bigots like Protestant anti-Catholics.
“More arrogance.”
Nope. Just truth. “New American Bible” is clearly different than “American Bible”.
“When i said “your own official American Bible” then i am referring to the only officially approved American Bible approved for liturgical use.”
No. See, that comment IS exactly what I mean by incompetence. The New American Bible is NOT approved for liturgical use and you never made any mention of liturgical use in the first place. The scripture readings used at Mass are not the same as in the New American Bible. They’re very similar, but not the same. The ones used in Mass are more traditional renderings. This is why this is happening: http://www.adoremus.org/0812BishopsMeetingReport.html
Also, there’s no “your” about it. The New American Bible is NOT and NEVER WILL BE in any manifestation at all the Bible approved for the liturgy at my parish. It can’t be. The New American Bible (and its revisions) all date from 1970 onward. The liturgy at my parish canonically stopped at 1962. There will be no changes in the translations used.
“There is only one English text currently approved by the Church for use in the United States.”
False. Again, we don’t use it at my parish and never have. Again, we’re back to incompetence and none of that incompetence is mine.
“This text is the one contained in the Lectionaries approved for Sundays & Feasts and for Weekdays by the USCCB and recognized by the Holy See.”
Nope. As I already told you the two texts are actually different and always have been. If you want to buy a copy of that text in one volume, you have to buy this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001GNWLXO/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=&qid=
“These Lectionaries have their American and Roman approval documents in the front. The text is that of the New American Bible with revised Psalms and New Testament (1988, 1991), with some changes mandated by the Holy See where the NAB text used so-called vertical inclusive language (e.g. avoiding male pronouns for God).”
All of which is STILL different than what is read at Mass - any Mass in the United States.
“There have been revisions ot the NAB, including the NABRE but there have not been any announced plans to use the NABRE for the lectionary in the United States.”
False - as shown by the first link I posted above. You’re more than a year out of date. Incompetence.
“This are other stamped bible translations for RCs, but not for liturgical use.”
Again, false. My parish has never used the NAB and never will. Our liturgy is entirely approved by the diocese and Vatican by the way.
“So either you are not American but which still renders the NAB to be your churches official American Bible for liturgical use, or you belong to a different Catholic rite”
Nope. I am an American and the NAB has never been and never will be used at my parish. And yes, I am in what is commonly called the Roman Rite.
“I distinctly said “which teaches or did teach such things” and there is nothing incorrect in this. My source is my own 1970 stamped St Josephs edition copy of the NAB, some of which i have also seen in latter versions. as well, and you can see this is included on the online version here and other things in the Vatican source as GPH showed .. Other RCS have likewise criticized the NAB, such as seen here .”
Your comment is meaningless.
“i do not know if the current study version of the NABRE says all this, but the older version clearly opposed Moses authorship of much or most of the Pentateuch (Ex. 17:14; Num. 33:2; Dt. 31:9,24-26) by subscribing to the liberal discredited JEDP source theory, with the Yahwist being, “ among other things “imaginative” as seen “in the narrative of creation in Genesis (Intro... ), and the NABRE postulates this in its intro to the Pentateuch”
Again, your comment is meaningless. The NAB has nothing to do with me or the faith in itself.
“Thus Rome teaches things not seen in Scripture or in contrast to it, while on the other hand RCs send us to Rome to understand the Bible, yet both its teachings and its modern view of Scripture send us away from it as the Word of God with its literal historical accounts.”
You’re wrong as always. Incompetence.
No. See, that comment IS exactly what I mean by incompetence. The New American Bible is NOT approved for liturgical use and you never made any mention of liturgical use in the first place. The scripture readings used at Mass are not the same as in the New American Bible. They’re very similar, but not the same. They’re very similar, but not the same. The ones used in Mass are more traditional renderings...The New American Bible is NOT and NEVER WILL BE in any manifestation at all the Bible approved for the liturgy at my parish. It can’t be
Rather than your mystery Bible, the New American Bible with revisions is still the New American Bible (like as the KJV is still the KJV in its various editions). That, with its revisions, is the official American Bible for liturgical use (which yes, i should have included), and as i stated i was aware there were while different editions.
Meanwhile, your indignation serves to avoid the issue that Rome sanctioned and sanctioned liberal scholarship, which was my point.
The ones used in Mass are more traditional renderings. This is why this is happening:
Your link says it is a revision, not a new Bible translation.
All of which is STILL different than what is read at Mass - any Mass in the United States.
It is still called the NAB, no matter how much you deny that is the basic name of the Bible used in America for liturgical use.
s I already told you the two texts are actually different and always have been. If you want to buy a copy of that text in one volume, you have to buy this:
Saint Joseph's Liturgical Bible (New American Bible Text) They must be incompetent to say it is the New American Bible Text!
“There have been revisions ot the NAB, including the NABRE but there have not been any announced plans to use the NABRE for the lectionary in the United States.”
False - as shown by the first link I posted above. You’re more than a year out of date. Incompetence.
I see nothing in your first link that confirms the NABRE is now the edition of the NAB that is used here for liturgical use, while again, your charge of incompetence goes to Catholic sources, in this case the Bishops, who state (January 6, 2011): "The NABRE is approved for private use and study. It will not be used for the Mass, which uses an earlier, modified version of the NAB translation."
The liturgy at my parish canonically stopped at 1962.
So we are back to your mystery church, but i am dealing with Rome in America.
Also, there’s no “your” about it.
It is still your church, if not your parish or perhaps rite.
My parish has never used the NAB and never will. Our liturgy is entirely approved by the diocese and Vatican by the way... I am an American and the NAB has never been and never will be used at my parish. And yes, I am in what is commonly called the Roman Rite.
Since even the past versions definitely were the official Bible for liturgical use in America, are you SSPX or what? Or must that remain a mystery?
“I distinctly said “which teaches or did teach such things” and there is nothing incorrect in this.
Your comment is meaningless.
You may wish it were but in reality it is supremely relevant, for the issue that is ignored is that Rome did and does indeed subscribe to liberal scholarship.
subscribing to the liberal discredited JEDP source theory, with the Yahwist being, “ among other things “imaginative” as seen “in the narrative of creation in Genesis (Intro... ), and the NABRE postulates this in its intro to the Pentateuch”
Again, your comment is meaningless. The NAB has nothing to do with me or the faith in itself.
Again, my comment pertains to my main point, and the NABRE also reflects it.
You’re wrong as always. Incompetence.
Rather than wrong as always, i can take you back to past debates and show you that it has been you who has been wrong, but arrogant as most always.