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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Yes, responsible enough to give up the right to think for themselves, and come to Rome to grovel at the feet of ignorant Priests for a chance at forgiveness.”

Your characterization hints more at an anti-Catholic prejudice than judicious thought.

“Yeah, those dang Protestants and their Final Perseverance and doctrines wherein we are saved by grace and not by works!”

The Catholic Church teaches we were saved by grace.


125 posted on 10/26/2013 1:28:29 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“The Catholic Church teaches we were saved by grace.”


Only the initial grace, which, even then, you are free to accept or reject. The rest, after that, you have to earn, and can apparently even earn them for others:

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

After that, you can get your “grace” by praying Rosaries and sucking up to Mary, who will save you from the wrath of Jesus Christ:

For example, from the ‘Secrets of the Rosary” endorsed by Pope John Paul the second:

“One day the King fell seriously ill and when he was given up for dead he found himself, in a vision, before the judgement seat of Our Lord. Many devils were there accusing him of all the sins he had committed and Our Lord as Sovereign Judge was just about to condemn him to hell when Our Lady appeared to intercede for him. She called for a pair of scales and had his sins placed in one of the balances whereas she put the rosary that he had always worn on the other scale, together with all the Rosaries that had been said because of his example. It was found that the Rosaries weighed more than his sins.

Looking at him with great kindness Our Lady said: “As a reward for this little honor that you paid me in wearing my Rosary, I have obtained a great grace for you from my Son. Your life will be spared for a few more years. See that you spend these years wisely, and do penance.”

When the King regained consciousness he cried out: “Blessed be the Rosary of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, by which I have been delivered from eternal damnation!””

http://www.rosary-center.org/secret.htm

Consequently you deny the scriptures:

Rom_4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

As well as Final Perseverance, Sola Fide, and, as a necessity, Sola Scriptura, contrary to the fathers I cited.


126 posted on 10/26/2013 1:43:18 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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