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AMEN.
1 posted on 10/12/2013 9:34:46 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Straw man argument. I know a lot of Fundamentalists, and the fact that the words “Mother of God” does not appear in the bible is not the reason they disagree with Mary worship....oops, I mean “veneration”.


2 posted on 10/12/2013 9:39:18 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: NKP_Vet
It's not in the Bible?

But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? (Luke 1:43)

Unless of course they don't believe that Jesus is God.

3 posted on 10/12/2013 9:46:17 AM PDT by piusv
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t see sufficient Scriptural support for what is usually stated as “justification by faith alone” but the idea of Mary being “Mother of God” is contrary to Scripture in every way.

Naturally the term wouldn’t appear in Scripture.


6 posted on 10/12/2013 9:54:11 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: NKP_Vet
I am a Lutheran pastor, and I can call Mary "Mother of God." That is not ascribing any divinity to her; it is a confession about her son, our Lord Jesus Christ. At the same time, that does not mean I agree with all the Roman beliefs and practices associated with Mary. I do not.
7 posted on 10/12/2013 9:54:15 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: NKP_Vet
Mary, Mother of God

Only if G-d is not the creator of the universe.

Using simple logic, that appellation implies that Mirium
is the SUPER GOD who created the creator of the universe.

How blasphemous.

Shabbat Shalom

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
8 posted on 10/12/2013 9:57:47 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: NKP_Vet

NKP,
If you use that logic to arrive at naming Mary, the Mother of God (Which God Himself does not do)...

...you should just be consistent and also name her the Wife of God, since she bore His child.

Keep going and be consistent...

Mary’s mother should be called the Grandmother of God.
Mary’s father, should rightfully be called the Grandfather of God.
Any sister of Mary should be referred to as the God’s Aunt.
Any brother of Mary should be referred to correctly as God’s Uncle.


10 posted on 10/12/2013 10:06:48 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: NKP_Vet

Not only is it not in the Bible, such a phrase infers meaning where none exists. Mary was the mother of the child, Jesus, after the flesh. After the Spirit, Jesus is the Son of God, having no earthly father.

As Jesus grew to adulthood, at some point He assumed the duties of a son to His earthly mother, Mary, apparently because Joseph died (as he is never mentioned after Christ reaches maturity). On the cross He conferred His earthly responsibilities toward His mother to His trusted disciple John, and ONLY John. He said, “Woman, behold your son.” He did not say sons. From then on Mary lived in John’s house. She did not live with Peter, nor James, nor Paul. She lived with John who also outlived all of the other disciples, being the youngest of them.

The title of God is most often used in scripture to refer to the Father or to all three persons of the Godhead simulateously. My point is that Mary IS NOT the mother of God the Father, nor is she mother to God the Holy Spirit. Though Jesus is God in the fullest sense, yet He is not the only person of the Godhead. Therefore, it is accurate to describe Mary as the mother of Jesus, but it is inaccurate to describe her as the mother of God.

This is the simplest of logical fallacies which is the fallacy of division. If there is one black swan in a lake and some white swans also, it would be wrong to say the swans in the lake are black.

Further, Christ existed before Mary. And He was her Lord and Savior. This is the same theological dilema which the pharisees could not comprehend about Christ being the son of David and yet David calling Him “Lord”. (See Matthew 22:41-46.)

I accept the confirmed authority of the apostles and the words that came directly from their lips and preserved for us on the pages of scripture. I reject the self-proclaimed apostolic authority that meets none of the criteria for apostleship specified in scripture by the apostles. Christ commends those who test those who say they are apostles and find them to be liars. (See Revelation 2:2.) Paul defends his apostleship and tells us what the qualifications are which include having seen the risen Christ, having been personally instructed by Him, and having confirming miracles. Such apostles universally condemn the use of idols, yet the Catholic church claims unfounded apostolic authority and claims we should ignore this commandment to supposedly honor Mary by making images of her supposed likeness and bowing to it and making offerings to it and directing our prayers toward it, and invoking blasphemous names such as “mother of God” upon it. No holy angel or apostle ever accepted men bowing to them but all outright forbad it (though Satan saught for Christ to bow to and worship him, and wicked Herod received worship from his audience for which he died).

Add not to His Word lest you be found a liar.


15 posted on 10/12/2013 11:12:43 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Christians are our own worst enemies. We spend all of our time trashing each other over our slight differences rather than embracing each other in love, as Christ instructed. A pox on the lot of you that always have to bash other Christans without identical beliefs.


17 posted on 10/12/2013 11:44:09 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: NKP_Vet

God must be thrilled to see all his Christan followers constantly infighting in his name. Good going folks. Keep it up.


25 posted on 10/12/2013 2:13:47 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: NKP_Vet; alphadog; infool7; Heart-Rest; HoosierDammit; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; ...

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


31 posted on 10/12/2013 2:54:17 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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“Sola scriptura”

Another Protestant tradition that is not in Scripture.


63 posted on 10/12/2013 4:45:57 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Here is an objection “Words mean things!”.


72 posted on 10/12/2013 5:10:46 PM PDT by DungeonMaster
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To: NKP_Vet
This article is very well written and answers all the questions imo. Jesus loves His mother completely, and I imagine is well astonished at the lack of respect that is given to her by non-Catholics. One wonders if they respect their own earthly mothers.

The best husbands on this planet are men who first love Mary, and the best mothers are those who try daily to imitate her grace.
81 posted on 10/12/2013 5:34:14 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: NKP_Vet
And this is not to mention “justification by faith alone.” Can anyone agree there is just a bit of irony in the fact that the same fellow who tells me he will not accept Mary as “Mother of God” because those words “are not found in the Bible,” will accept justification by faith alone when the only time those words are found in the Bible the words “not by” are right in front of them (cf. James 2:24)?

The author seems not to know his bible.

The key text is Habakkuk 2:4,
“But the just shall live by faith”. It is
quoted in Romans 1: 17, Galatians 3: 11
and Hebrews 10: 38.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
146 posted on 10/12/2013 8:36:59 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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Another article on Mary and attacking Protestant beliefs, after the last one (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3055274/posts) with 2,732 posts ended, and which covered this issue, and then RC's complain about being attacked!
212 posted on 10/13/2013 10:46:24 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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