Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel
But that’s only for those who have accepted Christ’s death and resurrection as their way to salvation and know what that means. Those who consider themselves Jewish and have not accepted Christ and what that means will surely need to follow Old Testament commands.
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Acts 15 is always grossly misrepresented.
Acts 15:
[18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.Forgetting the reason stated in verse 21 tends to make many posters into liars, since the council took the assumption that the converts would learn the rest every sabbath by hearing Torah read But it gets said so often that many just assume that Acts 15 must say to forget Yeshua's Torah.
[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
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To what end?
The Torah only looks forward to Yeshua’s perfect sacrifice, and if they reject that, there is no recourse left.
Deut 18:
[15] The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;Rejecting Yeshua is eternally fatal, either way.
[16] According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
[17] And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
[18] I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
[19] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
The anti Christ is in power for SEVEN years.
Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The wrath has already started with the first seal.
Revelation 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Faithful believers are kept from that wrath.
All of Revelation 6-18 is the wrath of God through which the body of Christ will not go through.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
With 483 years having passed from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the cutting off of the Messiah, this leaves one seven-year period to be fulfilled in terms of Daniel 9:24: “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” This final seven-year period is known as the tribulation period—it is a time when God finishes judging Israel for its sin. Midway in that seven years the anti Christ sets up in the temple for 42 months. That is half of the 84 months of the tribulation.
Scripture is so clear. Yet, people find different things to argue about. I follow Paul, says one. I follow Peter, says another. But, there is one thing we must agree upon, and that is Christ as our head. He is the chief cornerstone. He is the author and finisher of our faith. For those of us who study Scripture, those are familiar words.
We don't hold all the answers, and yet we try to present our viewpoints as solemn truths. We hold our conviction close and attempt to persuade others to follow our minds. But, if we were truly one in the Spirit, there would be no need for that.
1 Corinthians 1: 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.” ...
But the apostles and we are not preaching Moses any more are we! We preach Christ and Him crucified. Spirit filled believers know the difference.
T the last seven years of Daniels prophesy during which the temple sacrifices and the age of grace will be over. During that seven years it will all be the law once again.
>> “The anti Christ is in power for SEVEN years.” <<
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But his mark comes into effect only for the last 3.5 years. That is the great tribulation. That is when he stands on the mercy seat, and Satan assumes control, and he declares himself to be God.
That is when millions that refuse the mark either are starved to death or beheaded.
Really, there is no indication of exactly how long antichrist is in power, but we will not even know that he is antichrist until he performs the identifying abomination.
The law never offered salvation.
Salvation has always been forward looking, keeping faith and obedience from the heart, looking for the perfect Lamb of God.
Compare Luke 1:70 and Acts 3:21, 24 WITH Rom. 16:25, Ephesians 3:9 and Col. 1:25.
Are they speaking of the same things? Or are they different?
Yeah right.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Not until he performs the identifying abomination ey?
Amen and Amen!
Ephesians 3: ... 14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
>> “But the apostles and we are not preaching Moses any more are we!” <<
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For the first two centuries all followers of Yeshua’s Way observed his feasts, kept his Sabbath, and had his commandments written on their hearts. That true worship slowly dwindled under the tyranny of Rome.
It is foolish to believe such nonsense...
Galatians 2: 14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
>> “Are they speaking of the same things? Or are they different?” <<
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Speaking of the salvation of the seed of Abraham in each and every case.
The “mystery” of Abraham’s seed in the gentile world would never have been understood before the power of the Holy
Spirit could be released.
The Gentile world had been the enemy of Yehova’s plan; he had to work through the people that would bring the seed to the world.
As it shall be during those last seven years for the Jews.
Since you offer no Scripture to go with your answer, I must decline it for now. And wait to see what roamer says. Please, feel free to offer back-up Scripture any time.
The foolishness is in not grasping what Yeshua tried so hard to get across: the “Jewish Customs” were not his Torah; they were the ways of men that supplanted their own “oral Torah” for his perfect way.
Paul was talking about the Takanot and ma’assim of the Pharisees.
The scriptures that you referenced are what prove my point.
Are you playing a game?
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