“I could give you links to the threads for all those examples”
No, you can’t.
“(as well as false charges against me)”
Unless you are Protestantism personified, false charges against you would not be indicative of bigotry—if such charges were in fact laid.
“but i doubt if anything would suffice”
Doesn’t matter. You don’t have anything.
“we are expected to believe the word of a Catholic over substantiated documentation”
There has been no documentation of anti-protestant bigotry whatsoever. However, that “word of a Catholic” remark actually *is* indicative of bigotry—bigotry that holds Catholics, *all* Catholics, to be dishonest.
“And in any case, what you protest is not against forum rules”
Oh, don’t even try that gambit.
Firstly, I am not protesting anything. It is the protestants who are whining about imaginary anti-protestant bigotry. Besides, I have demonstrated on several occasions that it is quite possible to say anything whatsoever about an individual poster—making it unmistakably personal—without drawing any comment from moderators. One need only veil one’s insults with transparently meretricious disclaimers, and the moderators let it pass.
“Posters may argue for or against beliefs, deities, religious authorities, etc. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule. “Open” RF debate is often contentious.”
Then why all the whining about this nonexistent anti-protestant bigotry?
“…you are too thin-skinned to be involved in “open” RF debate. You should IGNORE “open” RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”
I guess you’ve had success with that line of argumentation in the past. This time, however, it is the protestants who are whining, not the Catholics. Tell *them* to get more thick-skinned and stop crying about imaginary anti-protestant bigotry.
“It is within the bounds of “open” Religion Forum town square style debate for a Freeper to express his hatred of a belief.”
So, if there were any anti-protestant bigotry here, the expression thereof would not violate forum rules. Interesting, but irrelevant, as there is no anti-protestant bigotry here.
“Protestants are heretics” is not making it personal. “You are a heretic” is making it personal.”
It is hard for me to believe that anyone capable of using a computer is incapable of seeing the rank hypocrisy of that rule.
Under that rule, one can make sweeping comments about all protestants, but cannot report personal observations of the behavior of individuals. Where else in life are broad-brush generalizations considered preferable to thoughtful comments on specific remarks or conduct?
I can say “some protestants are hate-filled bigotry sewers,” as long as I make it clear that I am not talking about anyone here (nudge nudge, wink wink, nod’s as good as a wink to a blind man).
Of course, I would never point out that anyone on FR makes repeated claims that he cannot substantiate, nor that those claims are the worst sort of self-serving, malicious lie. I would never say that about another poster on FR.
If I were bigoted against protestants, I might say something like that about *all* protestants, and that would not violate the rules. However, as I am not bigoted against protestants, I would never say that about all protestants, and the rules forbid me from saying anything like that about an individual poster, no matter how many lies he might tell.
Not, of course, that I’m saying that any poster on FR is a habitual purveyor of lies and deceit. I would never say anything like that.
The point is that if I say something about *all* protestants, which is not likely, then what I have said applies equally to each protestant, individually and personally. To make the distinction you quote between remarks aimed at groups and those aimed at individuals is, and there’s no better way to put it, stupid as a sack of hammers.
Oh?
That's easy enough to check out...
For doing so would expose 'hatred in the heart'.
No, you can’t.
Yes i can, referring those broadly said of Protestants, as that is how i obtained them. If it will stop your protesting i will. Meanwhile, as i see very few post by you on the RF i do not think your opinion of no bigotry against Protestants has much weight.
“(as well as false charges against me)”
Unless you are Protestantism personified, false charges against you would not be indicative of bigotry—if such charges were in fact laid.
That was an aside, thus in parenthesis.
if such charges were in fact laid.
Now you infer i am lying, while promoting fairness. So if i substantiate these will you apologize?
“but i doubt if anything would suffice”
Doesn’t matter. You don’t have anything.
Now you have really stuck you neck out. So if i provide them you will apologize or plead they are not like the bigotry you accuse Prots of engaging in? Maybe RC bigotry is acceptable.
There has been no documentation of anti-protestant bigotry whatsoever. However, that “word of a Catholic” remark actually *is* indicative of bigotry—bigotry that holds Catholics, *all* Catholics, to be dishonest.
Oh i see, so "typical Protestant" or "typical of Protestants here" is unwarranted, and is bigotry, and something RCs do not engage in?
“And in any case, what you protest is not against forum rules”
Oh, don’t even try that gambit.
And why not? This is the beginning of an appeal to reason, that (rather than crying) charges of bigotry should not be the issue, as what matters is whether a charge is warranted, rather than engage in bigotry.
Firstly, I am not protesting anything. It is the protestants who are whining about imaginary anti-protestant bigotry.
You are indeed protesting, that "The height of anti-Catholic bigotry on FR boggles the mind," and thus it is you who made this the issue.
Then why all the whining about this nonexistent anti-protestant bigotry?
Because of your original charge, and denial of ANY like-bigotry as anti-protestant.
This time, however, it is the protestants who are whining, not the Catholics. Tell *them* to get more thick-skinned and stop crying about imaginary anti-protestant bigotry.
I am certainly not crying, but that was your cry, nor am i denying some anti-Catholic bigotry exists, but as we are to expose deception so i responded to your assertion that there is no like anti-protestant bigotry.
So, if there were any anti-protestant bigotry here, the expression thereof would not violate forum rules. Interesting, but irrelevant, as there is no anti-protestant bigotry here.
Such an absolute assertion borders on insolence, and makes it difficult to objectively judge what is bigotry.
You can personally accuse metmom that "hatred clouds your mind" which does violate forum rules, but you protest what is not against forum rules.
I can say “some protestants are hate-filled bigotry sewers,” as long as I make it clear that I am not talking about anyone here
At least you implicate yourself as guilty, if unapologetic.
“Protestants are heretics” is not making it personal. “You are a heretic” is making it personal.”
It is hard for me to believe that anyone capable of using a computer is incapable of seeing the rank hypocrisy of that rule.
Then you would not do well as a mod, as a general charge is not personal and does not mean all inclusively, as RCs themselves argue. and technically, that "Protestants are heretics" is a doctrinal charge made by some Catholics, direct or implied, but which does not translate into all Protestants technically being heretics (Rome. Want details? http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2H.HTM) according to heretical
Not, of course, that I’m saying that any poster on FR is a habitual purveyor of lies and deceit. I would never say anything like that.
But that is basically not a RC unknown on FR.
The point is that if I say something about *all* protestants, which is not likely, then what I have said applies equally to each protestant, individually and personally.
So you deny the RC belief in the unsubstantiated sinlessness of Mary, since "all have sinned?"
Anyway, if you can contradict your assertion of no anti-protestant bigotry, let me know if you want the examples which i will PM them to you and and others (carrying debates across thread is not allowed), before i take the time to gather them.
But again, rather than protesting anti-Catholic bigotry, exposing why a charge is unwarranted should be the issue, if needed.
Your memory, I'm afraid, seems to be fading. This is when you stuck your nose into the fray about "bigotry". NKP_Vet, in post 626 whined FIRST saying, "the height of anti-Catholic bigorty on FR Boggles the mind." To which Elsie replied:
To: NKP_Vet
The height of anti-Catholic bigotry on FR boggles the mind.
The height of anti-PROTESTant bigotry on FR boggles the soul.
628 posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:32:12 AM by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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This is when you, DSC, replied:
To: Elsie
“The height of anti-PROTESTant bigotry on FR boggles the soul.”
Remind me, what do we call it when someone utters a statement he knows to be false? Would that be the “L” word?
There is not and never has been a scintilla of anti-protestant bigotry on FR.
629 posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:11:37 PM by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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You were accusing anyone who said there was anti-Protestant bigotry on FR of lying and claimed NONE existed and NEVER had. What followed were numerous posts of amazed non-Catholic Christians - those who deal with blatant anti-Protestant bigotry on a pretty regular basis by a cast of usual suspects but who very rarely "whine" about it. Some Catholics, however, seem to get their knickers in a knot over just about anything that criticizes their "church" and scream "anti-Catholic bigots!!!", as a kind of knee-jerk reaction. There ARE many more instances of the SAME bigotry Protestants are accused of exhibiting against Catholics by Catholics against ALL Protestants. That you have refused to acknowledge what is clear to see by any other objective person demonstrates a type of bigotry all its own. You have proved that no amount of evidence will change a mind that has already been made. Don't imagine no one sees it going on.