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To: daniel1212
Meanwhile "by who?" is the question asked you, for since Scripture cannot be the real basis for your assurance of truth, nor your interpretation of history, then who or what is?

scripture, which was written, edited, transcribed, saved, copied (by hand) by Catholics is the source, along with the Catholic church herself which, as we all know, is infallible.

1,085 posted on 10/05/2013 7:42:40 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl; daniel1212; CynicalBear
scripture, which was written, edited, transcribed, saved, copied (by hand) by Catholics is the source, along with the Catholic church herself which, as we all know, is infallible.

I would hope the fact that you failed to note that Scripture is infallible is merely an oversight.

However, *we* don't all agree that the church is infallible.

That is another opinion and only an opinion.

So, please explain how an infallible church can elect an idiot for a pope.

1,086 posted on 10/05/2013 7:46:20 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: terycarl
...scripture, which was written, edited, transcribed, saved, copied (by hand) by Catholics...

Who weren't smart enough, evidently, to INCLUDE their TRADITIONs so that THEY would be called 'scripture'; too!

1,123 posted on 10/06/2013 4:32:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
Meanwhile "by who?" is the question asked you, for since Scripture cannot be the real basis for your assurance of truth, nor your interpretation of history, then who or what is?

scripture, which was written, edited, transcribed, saved, copied (by hand) by Catholics is the source, along with the Catholic church herself which, as we all know, is infallible.

Scripture cannot be your real basis for your assurance of truth, as that would align you with evangelical types, and be contrary to the RC claim that assurance cannot be had by the Scriptures, and thus the need for an infallible magisterium. Seeking to ascertain the validity of the truth claims by Rome is not for you to engage in, as unlike what Rome presumes of herself, your interpretation is not infallible.

"...having once found the true Church, private judgment of this kind ceases; having discovered the authority established by God, you must submit to it at once. There is no need of further search for the doctrines contained in the Christian Gospel, for the Church brings them all with her and will teach you them all. You have sought for the Teacher sent by God, and you have secured him; what need of further speculation?"

“All that we do [as must be patent enough now] is to submit our judgment and conform our beliefs to the authority Almighty God has set up on earth to teach us; this, and nothing else.”

"This, too, is why Catholics would never dream of calling in question the utterance of a priest in expounding Christian doctrine according to the teaching of the Church;”

"“He is as sure of a truth when declared by the Catholic Church as he would be if he saw Jesus Christ standing before him and heard Him declaring it with His Own Divine lips.” —“Henry G. Graham, "What Faith Really Means", (Nihil Obstat:C. SCHUT, S. T.D., Censor Deputatus, Imprimatur: EDM. CANONICUS SURMONT, D.D.,Vicarius Generalis. WESTMONASTERII, Die 30 Septembris, 1914 )]

Your argument also presumes the church of Rome is the same as the NT church, despite its contrasts .

along with the Catholic church herself which, as we all know, is infallible.

Once again you are begging the question, stating as fact that which needs to be proved. Are you arguing that being the instrument and steward of Scripture makes it the infallible interpreter of Scripture which must be followed.

1,189 posted on 10/06/2013 2:11:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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