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1 posted on 09/07/2013 3:59:35 PM PDT by steelhead_trout
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Sept 15th 1964, Yom Kippur began..the holiest day of the Jewish year. I was 16, and at services that night with my parents and younger brother.

The rabbi devoted most of his sermon as to why Jews should NOT vote for Barry Goldwater in November. (If you recall, Goldwater family's was part Jewish.)

I was a junior usher, so I had scored great seats for my family..8th row..near the center aisle. I went to sit with them during the sermon as is customary.

When the rabbi really got going against Goldwater, I stood up, stepped out into the aisle, and walked out out, right down the aisle, out the door, in front of a packed temple, about 800 people, many who were friends, most of whom knew me.

My mother was speechless. I think she was traumatized. Until the day she died, 44 years later, she NEVER got over it.

This was midweek, either a Tuesday or a Wednesday evening. The next Saturday, when I showed up to usher on Sabbath services, I was called into the rabbi's study. The cantor was there, along with several of the heads of the congregation.

Before they could start in, I told them that the rabbi was my spiritual adviser, and NOT my political mentor. I said I would do it again, if he did it again.

As I was leaving the room, I told them that I would be happy to leave my copies of "National Review" in the temple library.

The next year I was off to college, and never went back.

Postscript: This was in the Bronx, which until the 60's was heavily middle class Jewish, but was just then beginning to change rapidly, and unfortunately, for the worse. MY parents had moved to the suburbs about 5 years earlier, but continued to attend because of many long friendships.

In the mid 90's, I had to drive down to the Bronx VA to visit someone, and happened to drive right past the temple. The building is now a mosque.

76 posted on 09/07/2013 4:56:07 PM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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I know what you mean. I used to go to a church and walked out during mass when the priest was condoning illegal immigration and ‘making all immigrants feel welcome’. He was a left wing hack and quite arrogant. I never went back to that church. I found another church with a priest who openly calls out catholics for supporting abortion and same sex marriage and Obama’s assault on religious freedom. Lots of parishoners do not like him; I think he’s great. He says what needs to be said, and people do not like to hear the truth.

Follow your heart.


79 posted on 09/07/2013 4:57:49 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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No. Just get up and walk out.


80 posted on 09/07/2013 4:57:51 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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Do they allow equal time for opposing views in that church?


86 posted on 09/07/2013 5:14:32 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Progressives are never accountable for "unintended consequences" .... just for causing most)
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heard not a peep at the Polish Catholic church here ... I will check the bulletin.


88 posted on 09/07/2013 5:20:19 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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89 posted on 09/07/2013 5:21:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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Your question opened you up to an onslaught of “selfie” advice that redirects us away from Our Suffering Lord in the Eucharist, spoils the fulfillment of our holy obligation to the Command of God concerning the Lord’s Day.

Why? To answer one political statement with another, during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? Not a chance.

Flyers on cars in the parking lot would be better.


91 posted on 09/07/2013 5:22:40 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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Find a traditional Latin mass in your area. The priest will preach on that Sunday's Gospel.

No nonsense. I guarantee it.

92 posted on 09/07/2013 5:23:26 PM PDT by Oratam
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Don’t go and withhold your tithe for this week.


94 posted on 09/07/2013 5:25:27 PM PDT by Askwhy5times (http://bluegrasspundit.com/)
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I am not catholic but was raised by a Pentecostal pastor, however........why would someone go to a church where they don’t believe in the sermons/mass?
Have a hard time wrapping my mind around that.


96 posted on 09/07/2013 5:26:04 PM PDT by sheana
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If you allow yourself to belong to a church which preaches a leftwing message, you are, by your failure to find a new church, lending tacit agreement to that message. Ask yourself if the Lord would approve.


101 posted on 09/07/2013 5:38:14 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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yes... and when it starts, get up and WALK OUT!!!
106 posted on 09/07/2013 5:44:44 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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I am just asking the Catholic church intends to speak about immigration reform and at the same time Obama is trigger happy and ready to unload bombs on Syria with only France implying they will help. Should the church not find
Syria to be more important than immigration reform with Obama conveying his norm hurry up I can’t wait ? Very unlikely immigration reform will happen. Syria will use up time.Next there will be Congressional showdown over budget, debt ceiling

Congress meets 9 days for Sept.14 days in Oct.8 days in Nov.8 days in Dec..


108 posted on 09/07/2013 5:46:39 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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We go to Mass to worship Jesus and receive his body and blood. Don’t like the homily? Follow your conscience. I, for one, if confronted with a homily like that, will sit quietly and address the pastor as I leave the church. Or, will make an appointment to meet with him privately. Will write a letter to the Bishop or ask to meet with the Bishop. The Church has been around for 2000+ years, and will long outlive us. As far as scandals, The Church is made up of men who, though touched by God, are nonetheless men therefore fallible and sinful (as we all are, Lord knows) as is evidenced in the numerous scandals that have plagued the Church since the beginning of time. Look at Peter...after telling Jesus he loved Him, he denied Him three times, but was STILL given the keys and the awesome responsibility of building the Church. Jesus loves us immensely and asks us to trust and follow him. He does not guarantee that men won’t make mistakes, like advocating for breaking the law, but guarantees eternal life if we will trust in him and follow him. Yes, the Church membership is dwindling, and will probably continue as we become more secular, relativist and the Church allows political correctness to infiltrate the Truth. However, the Church Militant will always be there and we do know how it turns out in the end.


113 posted on 09/07/2013 6:11:44 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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At our 5:00 Saturday vigil Mass tonight, not a mention of amnesty. And Mass was followed by a Holy Hour for peace in Syria.

So go to Mass,chances are your priest may not even bring it up.

If he does, don't walk out. That would be impolite to Our Lord -- it;s His Mass. Walk up to the priest afterwards and give him a calm, carefully-worded piece of your mind.

115 posted on 09/07/2013 6:19:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the Lord require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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I renounced the RCC when the priest gave a sermon right before the 2000 election saying that tax cuts was morally equivalent to “stealing from the poor”


116 posted on 09/07/2013 6:22:11 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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If the priest actually advocates open borders or amnesty, you have a perfect right to stand up and tell him he is abusing the pulpit. And you should state the reason: He is preaching propositions that are not part of the Catholic Faith. And you could add that immigrants vote overwhelmingly for pro-abortion politicians, an evil act that they have no right to enter the country and do.


118 posted on 09/07/2013 6:25:47 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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Not sure where you are from, but now might be a good time to check out a Southern Baptist Church.


133 posted on 09/07/2013 6:53:22 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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Cut and paste the following into a word document, print it and have it ready to drop in the collection if the homily, which is prudential by the way, advocates amnesty for criminals and sinners.

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

140 posted on 09/07/2013 7:09:17 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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I have to be honest that this is a difficult subject for me.

The Bible tells us to welcome the aliens in our midst and in the land that God gave us. I know many of the Latino people in my parish and imagine that some of them are not here legally. They are good people and I feel for them.

I am grateful to have been born here. Grateful to be an American and I can certainly understand the desire for people to come here.

Our priest has spoken about this in the past and probably will do so again. My biggest complaint, which I have brought up to him, is when he accuses those who oppose illegal immigration and amnesty of somehow being oppressors or bigots.

I am not a bigot and I welcome legal immigrants. My problem with the illegals is their antipathy toward assimilation and their expectation that we should cater to them in their inability to speak English.

It is a fine line the Church walks. We are to be loving and generous people. But, we are being overrun with those who come here and take and take and take. We are losing our ability to take care of ourselves and also everyone else.

As you can see I am pulled both ways. As a conservative, I want our borders protected from illegal entry by anyone. As a Christian, I want to care for my brothers and sisters in Christ.

There is no easy answer for me.


151 posted on 09/07/2013 7:28:04 PM PDT by Jvette
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