“I gather that Newman’s accusatory tone towards the faith of the Reformers, with their motivations, and his writing of their disagreements off as “fictions”, “bearing false witness”, “slander”, “fable”, “falsehoods” and your word, “lie”, only demonstrates a furtive and desperate need to rationalize his abandonment of the faith he was raised in.”
Nope. He needed no rationalization. He simply decided to follow the truth rather than the Protestant lies.
“In reality, the Reformation brought to the fore many of the abuses, false doctrines, depravities and wrongs that the Roman Catholic Church allowed to creep in and continue.”
Nope. Anything that Catholics did wrong was already known people. In reality many of the wrongful things Catholics did were done even more frequently by Protestants - as attested to by Protestants themselves.
“No, Protestants don’t “have to lie”.”
Yeah, they do. It happens here often enough. That was made obvious.
“I don’t claim to always be right, but I do not intentionally lie or mislead nor have I seen much evidence of others here you so callously brand as “anti-Catholic Protestants”.”
First of all, I have no reason to believe you. Again, I saw it in this very thread. I’m not saying YOU did it this time. Second, it has to be considered that anti-Catholic Protestants commonly push lies which they truly believe in. So, they can say, “I didn’t lie” but they did push forward a lie as if it were true. That happens here at FR every day.
“I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, as found in the sacred Scriptures speaks for itself and the heart that God has prepared to hear it and receive it certainly will.”
I see no evidence that you even know what that gospel is. No Protestant can believe in THE gospel and be a Protestant any longer. The Protestant gospel is a novelty from the 16th century.
“As a former Roman Catholic, I recognized that what I had been taught was not the true gospel and I realized that not by the persuasions of another person but by the very word of God.”
Sorry, I don’t believe you. See, I was persuaded by almighty God that the gospel is as the Church always taught it in Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. I was saved from a life in Protestantism. Deo gratias! And whereas I have met dozens of former Protestant ministers who really knew their former faith and have become Catholic, I have yet to meet a single former Catholic turned Protestant who actually knew the Catholic faith. I just can’t take Protestant testimony about their counterfeit 16th century gospel seriously because it was not taught in Scripture, Tradition or the Church. It’s a novelty.
“Jesus said, “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.” (John 10:27-28). I knew I had found the truth and I have never regretted it.”
And God in His infinite mercy might never allow you to regret it, but it is still a cheap, counterfeit fraud from the 16th century that you have come to believe. Christ existed before the 16th century and so did the true gospel. I pray that you one day will learn the truth, but I think your heart is hardened to it.
See, I was persuaded by almighty God that the gospel is as the Church always taught it in Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. I was saved from a life in Protestantism. Deo gratias! And whereas I have met dozens of former Protestant ministers who really knew their former faith and have become Catholic, I have yet to meet a single former Catholic turned Protestant who actually knew the Catholic faith. I just can’t take Protestant testimony about their counterfeit 16th century gospel seriously because it was not taught in Scripture, Tradition or the Church. It’s a novelty. ...
Sorry, I don't believe you! There are too many false claims against Christians who do not hold Rome as the arbiter of truth. Too many times I have heard told herein that all Protestants are liars, and that only Rome holds the truth. Scripture tells an entirely different story. It is one of GRACE and LOVE, not of a judgmental group of haughty knaves claiming to be successors to some role in the establishment of Christ's church. God did not change men in robes into Christ's role as the author and finisher of our salvation.. Peter was just another one of the Apostles, and his ministry was to the Jews. Paul preached to those outside God's chosen ones. It was Paul that taught us about being "grafted" into the true vine.
Yet, there is little Scripture used to support the premise of the roman Catholic cult. Instead we hear words like "I knew a black guy, and he was my best friend" or some snarky picture of a cereal box or such other nonsensical deflections. Of course, we are not talking about racism, nor General Mills, but it carries the same tone.
Paul rightly rebuked Peter for trying to make the new Christians follow the Judaic rules and customs. He used Scripture to deny Peter any role with the Gentiles... but of course, Peter was just a guy that denied Christ!
Galatians 211 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
Ephesians 3" 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.
Colossians 3: 12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.