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To: metmom; WVKayaker; Elsie

About that logic: Christ tells you: if you (plural, “every creature”) have A and B you (plural) will be saved, and if you (plural) have no A you (plural) will be condemned.

So if you have A but no B, there is no rule. One of you may or may not be saved. One of you may or may not be condemned. There is no general rule.

So therefore A+B are sufficient for salvation and A is necessary but not sufficient: we are not saved by faith alone even though faith is necessary.

This is why people of other faiths MAY be saved if they cling to righteousness; Baptized people of Catholic faith are guaranteed salvation so long as they remain of Catholic faith. You, personally, may be saved by your works of faith, but since you expend so much energy slandering the Catholic Faith I hope someone else sees your good works, for I on this forum can’t.


910 posted on 09/07/2013 10:05:04 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; metmom; Elsie
You, personally, may be saved by your works of faith, ... Then you confuse works of love -- which themselves greatly contribute to salvation, such as church attendance, veneration of saints, or pilgrimages with Sacraments of the Church, which are not human works. So, your Protestant sloganeering is a good example of scriptural illiteracy and lack of understanding of the Catholic teaching even in its elementary form.

That is a total heresy. Works will never save you and the Catholic Church is the world's largest cult. You can keep deluding yourself with your self, but the Holy Spirit of God does not confirm your words.

Logic will take straight to the pits of hell! You cannot quote Scripture to confirm most of your group's fallacies and suppositions. You can only spout the "church's teachings", which relies on human wisdom and logic! God reveals Himself to us through Scripture as illuminated by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is given to us to "lead us into all righteousness"... and is not exclusive to any manmade institution.

Matthew 8: 5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.

^^^

Romans 7: 14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

911 posted on 09/07/2013 12:53:38 PM PDT by WVKayaker (“So we’re bombing Syria because Syria is bombing Syria? And I’m the idiot?” - Sarah Palin)
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To: annalex; WVKayaker; Elsie
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

912 posted on 09/07/2013 1:03:40 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex

I don’t need works. I am forgiven and clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

His works are credited to my account and so when God sees me IN Christ, He sees Christ’s righteousness all over me.


913 posted on 09/07/2013 1:08:53 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex
This is why people of other faiths MAY be saved if they cling to righteousness...

Interesting phrase: what does it mean?

926 posted on 09/08/2013 8:43:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
...but since you expend so much energy slandering the Catholic Faith...It's really not that hard to post Scripture.
927 posted on 09/08/2013 8:43:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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