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To: Elsie

Right. That is the Catholic teaching as well. We do not know if an unbaptized person is condemned.


896 posted on 09/06/2013 6:00:06 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
We do not know if an unbaptized person is condemned.

WHAT?

Then WHY did you try to use Mark 16:16 to make your point?

900 posted on 09/06/2013 6:06:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex; Elsie
We do not know if an unbaptized person is condemned.

Then there's no need to be baptized, is there?

Except for the minor complication that the Catholic church TEACHES that salvation is by baptism.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P3I.HTM

1227 According to the Apostle Paul, the believer enters through Baptism into communion with Christ's death, is buried with him, and rises with him:

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.29

The baptized have "put on Christ."30 Through the Holy Spirit, Baptism is a bath that purifies, justifies, and sanctifies.31

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P3M.HTM

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.59 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.60 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.61 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament.

1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.

1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."62 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"63 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

There is no getting awary from the fact that the *Church* teaches that baptism is necessary for salvation. These so called *exceptions*, are really considered by the *church* to be baptism anyway, only reinforcing their doctrine.

It's really too bad that Catholicism and Catholics don't think that what Jesus did on the cross was enough and that they have to add to it.

901 posted on 09/06/2013 6:49:29 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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