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To: Iscool
Peter drug up the prone fella who wanted to venerate him

No he wanted to worship Barnabas and Paul (Acts 14:10-18, not Peter), and they said that they were mortal, e.g. possibly a saint but not a god.

no reference of prayers to saints in Revelation...There is one reference about 24 elders having in their possession some prayers

Read, Iscool. You don't sound too old; you can still learn what the Bible says.

And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints [προσευχαι των αγιων] (Rev. 5:8)

And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints [προσευχαις των αγιων παντων] upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints [προσευχαις των αγιων] ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. (Rev. 8:3-4)

If your mickey mouse "translation" says something different, toss it away and get a real Bible.

2,062 posted on 09/18/2013 5:35:31 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Read, Iscool. You don't sound too old; you can still learn what the Bible says.

Well apparently you are too old...

And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints [προσευχαι των αγιων] (Rev. 5:8)

There is absolutely nothing in that verse that says anyone prayed to 24 elders...Nothing...You are making it up...

It says they are in possession of prayers, NOT that the prayer were addressed to them...

And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints [προσευχαις των αγιων παντων] upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints [προσευχαις των αγιων] ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. (Rev. 8:3-4)

Again, prayers in the possession of angels (NOT SAINTS...Angels are not saints)...And the prayers went from the angels to God bypassing any elders...The verses don't even mention saints in heaven to receive prayers...

You have to leave out the words that are not there...

2,072 posted on 09/18/2013 6:58:00 AM PDT by Iscool
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