[annalex]

we (those who are saved) are created IN Christ Jesus unto good works

It does not say our salvation is finished. If we have the kind of faith that works, then we would walk in the good works and then we are saved.

[smvoice]

But yes it does say our salvation is finished. If we are IN CHRIST, we are saved. Our salvation is complete the moment we trust in the finished work of Christ. That is the point of the grace of God, annalex.

"For we ARE His workmanship, created IN CHRIST Jesus UNTO good works..." Eph. 2:10.

You see there, you cannot have "good works" in God's eyes until you are IN Christ. And you are not "In Christ" until you accept His finished work for you. Salvation by grace through faith.

If you would just read the words as they are plainly stated, and not as you WANT them to say, the meaning would be crystal clear. There is no arguing what the plain word says. Unless you just don't want to accept it. And that is your choice. Just don't try to muddy the clear water of God's message by throwing stones of confusion.

[CynicalBear]

>>It does not say our salvation is finished.<<

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24)

Not will pass, has passed.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

perfected, not are being, or will be, or anything other than perfected.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

hath perfected. Not will perfect, or is perfecting but hath perfected.

There are many more but do you see a trend forming there?

[metmom]

It does not say our salvation is finished. If we have the kind of faith that works, then we would walk in the good works and then we are saved.

That's mixed up.

It's really If we are saved we have the kind of faith that works, then we would walk in the good works.

Jesus said *It is finished* when He died on the cross. When He died the curtain of the Temple was torn in two from the top down. (I can only imagine how much that freaked out the priests who were in the Temple at the time for a variety of reasons)

So tell me, if our works *finish* our salvation, then why did Jesus say *It is finished* if it wasn't?

[Elsie]

It does not say our salvation is finished.

Maybe YOURS isn't...

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1 John 2:12 (NIV)
I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.