[Elsie]

That Catholic doctrine is Trinitarian and the protests about Mary are a cover for Arianism other doctrines that reject the doctrine of the Incarnation.

That's interesting; but what it to do with what we were talking about?

[RobbyS]

The emphasis on Mary is corollary to the doctrine of the incarnation, which was the subject of the Councils of Nicaea,Constantinople, Ephesus and Chalcedon. The Arians denied that doctrine in order to save monotheism as the philosophers understand the concept. So did the Nestorians who refused Mary the title of Theotokos.

In any case the dispute had to do with the central questions: What is man; who is Jesus?Mary must be taken into account in any such discussion. Therefore, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was proclaimed the Church right at the time when Arianism in its most extreme form, idealism, was coming to dominate church circles, and The doctrine of the Assumption when materialism began its present march to rule the nations.

Many have noted the willingness of the materalists to accept Islam while at the same time making their contempt of traditional Christianity clear. But Islam is in the most direct form anti-christ. At its core is the doctrine that Jesus is not the son of God. They revere him, or claim to revere him as a prophet and Mary as his mother. But they reject the doctrine of the incarnation as Arius did because they are radical monotheists. To be sure, their God, unlike that of Arius, is not pure reason but pure will and --paradoxically, so is the god of the materialists, the god of this world. What the Muslims call Allah is, least in the thinking of the materalists, this same God.