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Veneration of Mary in Luke 11:27-28
August 15, 2013 | Annalex

Posted on 08/15/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by annalex

Once a woman in the crowd surrounding Christ and His disciples cries out to Him:

Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. (Luke 11:27)

What is it? We have, clearly, an act of venerating Mary. Note that the Blessed Virgin is venerated properly: not on her own but as the mother of Christ. Yet the reason for venerating is indeed concerning: it is her physiological and physiologically unique relationship with Jesus that is emphasized. That is not yet paganism with its crude theories of gods giving birth to other gods, but it is lacking proper focus and Jesus corrects it:

Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:28)

The Virgin with the Child on her knees and a prophet pointing at the star. Catacomb of Priscilla, late 2nd c. Source
Note that there is no condemnation here, not even asking the woman to stop; the "yea rather" (μενουνγε) is not a negation. It is used other times in the New Testament without a hint of negation. In Philippians 3:8 "αλλα μενουνγε και ηγουμαι παντα ζημιαν ειναι", "Furthermore I count all things to be but loss" (Textus Receptus 1550/1894, Byzantine/Majority Text 2000 has here "αλλα μεν ουν και ηγουμαι…" which is the same word morphology spelled separately and colliding affirmative "γε" with the following "και"). Romans 9:20 "μενουνγε ω ανθρωπε συ τις ει ο ανταποκρινομενος τω θεω" and Romans 10:18 "μενουνγε εις πασαν την γην εξηλθεν ο φθογγος αυτων" use the word reinforcing the subsequent statement. Some translations obscure this linguistic fact: in King James for example, the same word is rendered correctly, "yea rather" in Luke 11:28, wholly incongruously, "nay but" in Romans 9:20, but in Romans 10:18 the translation is again correct, "Yes verily". NRSV has both correct and elegant translations for all three. (See The Holy Mother and the "ΜΕΝΟΥΝΓΕ")

Having gotten past this linguistic hurdle, we can understand clearly what this passage, Luke 11:27-28, does: it establishes veneration of saints based not on their blood relation to Christ but on their obedience to God. It is in that sense that we venerate Our Lady: given that Christ is the Word of God personified, she heard and kept both Him in person as her Child and His teaching, figuratively. In Mary the essence of sainthood is seen in the flesh as well as in the mind. We could say that by the late second century at the latest, when we find evidence of the veneration of both the prophets and the Mother of God in the catacombs, the two reasons to venerate a saint: his martyrdom as in the case of Polycarp, or his obedience to the Word, as in Mary, -- unite into a single practice.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Orthodox Christian
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To: annalex

Christ does not need a stand-in


2,341 posted on 09/22/2013 1:07:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: annalex
Christ commanded His Apostles to become Catholic priests

lol. "Go out and worship 10,000 Saints and fulfill these rituals and yee can be saved or something, if a priest says so"

2,342 posted on 09/22/2013 1:10:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: daniel1212; CynicalBear
joining a monastery in escaping society is not what the Lord is speaking of

Not necessarily, -- I agree with the rest of your post. Monastic life is not indeed the only vocation that can lead to salvation, but it is an important one, and in America shaped by Calvinism it is especially important to underscorethe salvific quality of religious dedicated life, for every American need to recognize himself in the young rich man of the Gospel.

2,343 posted on 09/22/2013 1:10:55 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: GeronL

Christ commanded His Apostles to become Catholic priests when He sent them to offer the Holy Eucharist (Luke 22:19) and to remit sins (John 20:21-23). The need for the Catholic priests remains today and “until he come” (1 Cor. 11:26).


2,344 posted on 09/22/2013 1:12:00 PM PDT by narses
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To: WVKayaker

2,345 posted on 09/22/2013 1:12:32 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses

find me the word “Catholic” in the Bible


2,346 posted on 09/22/2013 1:12:49 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: CynicalBear; boatbums; Gamecock; WVKayaker; daniel1212; Elsie; smvoice; metmom; Iscool
proven your error with scripture.

And each time the scripture shown was solid Catholic teaching and the poster either misunderstood the scripture or the Catholic teaching.

2,347 posted on 09/22/2013 1:15:53 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: GeronL

That is not what Luke 22:19 said.


2,348 posted on 09/22/2013 1:16:52 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: WVKayaker
>>I see most RC's rely much heavier on their "traditions" and parse the Word in order to dig out a portion which they think helps explain their errors.<<

That’s the problem with RCs. Scripture is secondary to what the cult teaches.

2,349 posted on 09/22/2013 1:23:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: annalex

obviously


2,350 posted on 09/22/2013 1:29:48 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: annalex; metmom; smvoice; Iscool; boatbums
>>the ability of a saint far exceed the ability of anyone prior to his sanctification in heaven.<<

You and the Jews Peter was talking to think there is a better class ey?

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

2,351 posted on 09/22/2013 1:37:55 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: annalex
>>And each time the scripture shown was solid Catholic teaching<<

You mean those Catholics who readily admit to incorporating paganism?

2,352 posted on 09/22/2013 1:39:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: GeronL

Why?


2,353 posted on 09/22/2013 1:42:52 PM PDT by narses
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To: CynicalBear

2,354 posted on 09/22/2013 1:43:10 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses; CynicalBear

2,355 posted on 09/22/2013 1:44:38 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

2,356 posted on 09/22/2013 1:47:19 PM PDT by narses
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To: annalex; Iscool
>>Christ commanded His Apostles to become Catholic priests <<

Not even once is there mention of a priest in the New Testament church other than all believers are called priests. At least preface the deceit and admit that it’s only Catholic teaching and not scripture that says there are.

2,357 posted on 09/22/2013 1:48:24 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: annalex
>>The priest is a stand-in for Christ.<<

Christ said He would be with us always and doesn’t need a “stand it”. At least the Christ of scripture doesn't. I'm becoming convinced that Catholics serve someone else entirely.

2,358 posted on 09/22/2013 1:50:32 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: narses

2,359 posted on 09/22/2013 2:01:59 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

2,360 posted on 09/22/2013 2:03:05 PM PDT by narses
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