Posted on 08/15/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by annalex
Once a woman in the crowd surrounding Christ and His disciples cries out to Him:
Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. (Luke 11:27)
What is it? We have, clearly, an act of venerating Mary. Note that the Blessed Virgin is venerated properly: not on her own but as the mother of Christ. Yet the reason for venerating is indeed concerning: it is her physiological and physiologically unique relationship with Jesus that is emphasized. That is not yet paganism with its crude theories of gods giving birth to other gods, but it is lacking proper focus and Jesus corrects it:
Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:28)
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| The Virgin with the Child on her knees and a prophet pointing at the star. Catacomb of Priscilla, late 2nd c. Source |
Having gotten past this linguistic hurdle, we can understand clearly what this passage, Luke 11:27-28, does: it establishes veneration of saints based not on their blood relation to Christ but on their obedience to God. It is in that sense that we venerate Our Lady: given that Christ is the Word of God personified, she heard and kept both Him in person as her Child and His teaching, figuratively. In Mary the essence of sainthood is seen in the flesh as well as in the mind. We could say that by the late second century at the latest, when we find evidence of the veneration of both the prophets and the Mother of God in the catacombs, the two reasons to venerate a saint: his martyrdom as in the case of Polycarp, or his obedience to the Word, as in Mary, -- unite into a single practice.
Especially the dead ones. We discussed that before.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not true. Depends on what version you read. And it never says, “In my fathers house are many mansions” either, unless you have the single version that interprets the word for “dwelling place” as “mansion”. that would be the KJV. It’s like interpreting the word for “car” to mean “limo”. ;-)
Very good. I take this to mean that you consider the word of God to be a variable. I do not share that viewpoint.
On a related note, my church is one of those “KJV only” places. Two weeks ago the pastor was reading a verse with tricky “old english” words and had to tell the congregation that today it would mean “x”. Comically, my NIV bible interpreted it to be “x”. Get it? The pastor, who only reads the KJV had to help the congregation understand its meaning by translating it into the NIV version. I don’t care who you are, that is danged funny!
I have studied the creation and the evolution of the KJV (nicknamed the Queen James Version). I am continually surprised by the veracity of its supporters.
It’s nice to read a translation that is in the language you actually speak on a daily basis. It is easier to understand His word. Of course, if you are really serious about it, you want to learn the original languages and read it that way. :-)
Don't worry. Latin is coming back in style. I suspect Greek is, too.
OK.
In short, the idea that every Christian is a “saint” according to how St. Paul used the word is another Protestant hoax.
What spamming? It's me and two more Catholic posters; there are dozens of Protestants, and I try to answer every serious post. If you don't want my posts, don't post to me.
You're just saying that because it's true.
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In short, the idea that every Christian is a “saint” according to how St. Paul used the word is another Protestant hoax.
What spamming? It’s me and two more Catholic posters; there are dozens of Protestants, and I try to answer every serious post. If you don’t want my posts, don’t post to me.
Morning, sm.
Hope you have a lovely day!
Oh, Mark, what a shame you are!
I count all those who are born-again believers among my friends.
The like list however is not limited to believers though...it can contain Catholics like yourself and St Thomas Aquinas and even my Buddhist friend in Michigan whom I love dearly.
But it does not mean that I agree with your theology or hers.
No reason why I cannot like you though.
So live with it, dude!
FYI, Elsie is DA BOMB and you are just jealous. lol
Yes, no surprise there.
KJV
1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Douay-Rheims
[21] Who through him are faithful in God, who raised him up from the dead, and hath given him glory, that your faith and hope might be in God. [22] Purifying your souls in the obedience of charity, with a brotherly love, from a sincere heart love one another earnestly: [23] Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever. [24] For all flesh is as grass; and all the glory thereof as the flower of grass. The grass is withered, and the flower thereof is fallen away. [25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel hath been preached unto you.
Yea, sure you do...There's your own Catholic bible...You don't believe that either, eh??? Don't you realize other people read your posts as well???
Instead of wasting your time studying about some bible, you'd have been far better off studying 'A' bible...Any bible...
It's clear to me that you've never studied any bible, of any version...
That’s the way Satan has always worked. Just a simple word change here or there and vuala you have deception. Thank God we have the Spirit of Christ within us and the promise that He will never let us go.
Except we know that Nicodemus was there and he clearly understood Jesus to say “again” thus his question to Jesus.
>>Nicodemus had the Pharisee mindset. Jesus set him straight.<<
Yeah, by using the exact same word again in verse seven.
The initial comment that led to this was that Jesus never said born again or born anew. Clearly, whether we understand the word to mean “anew”, or “again” or “from above” it all means virtually the same thing and the word Jesus used does have an interpretation of “born again” which makes the Catholic comment false.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can all read what it says and the double speak by Catholics is obvious. What Catholics don’t realize is that most see the hypocrisy of the Catholic disingenuous double speak.
Ok, so you can’t show where the apostles taught it ey? I suppose the assumption of Mary is as well? I say, accursed to the preacher who teaches the lies of the RCC.
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Yeah, we’ve just been there.
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to be judged before the unjust, and not before the saints? Know you not that the saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? (1 Corinthinas 6:1-2)
You probably forgot right?
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