Veneration of Mary in Luke 11:27-28

August 15, 2013 | Annalex

[annalex]

no real need for belief in Jesus ey?

Of course one has to believe in Jesus. The issue in Canon 1260 is those who have no way of knowing Jesus, because of liars like Marx, Mohammed or the Protestant charlatans.

[annalex]

I posted the answer to Cuban Leaf not long ago today.

[annalex]

cretins such as yourself

You sound a bit upset.

[CynicalBear]

>>I posted the answer to Cuban Leaf not long ago today.<<

I’m not Cuban Leaf and didn’t see it. What’s the post number? Or simply post that answer to me.

[annalex]

Christians are saved the moment they become born again...That's when God puts the Holy Spirit inside the body of the believer...Without that spiritual operation, one does not become a Christian...

That part is true. Once a Catholic man is baptized he is born again and nothing but his own error could snatch him from the hand of God. On human error, I gave plenty of scripture that it happens even after baptism.

[Elsie]

Thank you!

I’ve learned a new fact.

[annalex]

1633, 1634

[CynicalBear]

>>The issue in Canon 1260 is those who have no way of knowing Jesus, because of liars like Marx, Mohammed or the Protestant charlatans.<<

Dude! They don’t know Jesus and don’t believe in Jesus. The RCC says they can be saved without knowing or believing in Jesus. There’s no two ways about it. It contradicts what scripture clearly teaches.

[daniel1212]

That i was not alone in seeing Rv. 12 as referring to Israel.

[Elsie]

In short, the idea that every baptized person is a "saint" accordingh to how St. Paul used the word is another Protestant hoax.

Seems more like muddy water to me.

[CynicalBear]

>>That veneration of saints developed after the scripture was written, and certainly that Mary was assumed into heaven after that, — does not make the teaching of the Holy Apostolic Church “another gospel”.<<

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

What part of than that which we have preached unto you do you not understand? You just admitted that the RCC teaches something the apostles did not which constitutes “another gospel” the teachers of which are to be “accursed”.

[Elsie]

Not so: the saints have life everlasting.

Even the DEAD ones?

[Elsie]

Why don't you try reading the thread from the beginning?

I'm sure he will!

Just to see how you guys 'discuss' things!

[CynicalBear]

All true believers are called saints.

Philemon 1:5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

Paul called the members of every church saints.

[CynicalBear]

Thank you. I will check them.

[cuban leaf]

I’m sure that those who are not familiar with the bible fall for that eloquent verbosity, but you miss the point in your very last sentence when you say, “In short, the idea that every baptized person is a “saint” accordingh to how St. Paul used the word is another Protestant hoax.”

You create a straw man. I didn’t say every “baptised person”. I said every Christian. And the interesting thing is that whether anyone, including you or me, is a Christian is strictly between God and him/her. Many claim to be and are even baptized. It doesn’t mean they are.

Those that read the Bible and pray to Him for wisdom know the folly of praying to dead people. Our intercessor is Jesus and no other man or woman. By “our”, I mean followers of Christ.

[cuban leaf]

This was discussed at great length already, in the first couple hundred posts. Why don’t you try reading the thread from the beginning?

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Because the only “great length” I need to read on this is the Bible - inspired by prayer. You have, apparently, attempted to wear people down through spamming and quoting yourself ad-nausium.

It’s a cool idea, frankly, but I am undaunted - for now. I mean, before I feel it proper to invoke Matthew 7:6.

[cuban leaf]

I’m sure he will!

Just to see how you guys ‘discuss’ things!

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Nope. Not worth it. I don’t read the comments of every Joe on a bar stool with an opinion. One must earn my attention. Life is short.

[cuban leaf]

Why don’t you try reading the thread from the beginning?

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See post 1658.

The number itself cracks me up.

[cuban leaf]

Jesus never said ‘born again’. He said ‘born from above’, and ‘born of water and the Spirit’. We may have a failure to communicate here.

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Not true. Depends on what version you read. And it never says, “In my fathers house are many mansions” either, unless you have the single version that interprets the word for “dwelling place” as “mansion”. that would be the KJV. It’s like interpreting the word for “car” to mean “limo”. ;-)

On a related note, my church is one of those “KJV only” places. Two weeks ago the pastor was reading a verse with tricky “old english” words and had to tell the congregation that today it would mean “x”. Comically, my NIV bible interpreted it to be “x”.

Get it? The pastor, who only reads the KJV had to help the congregation understand its meaning by translating it into the NIV version. I don’t care who you are, that is danged funny!

It’s nice to read a translation that is in the language you actually speak on a daily basis. It is easier to understand His word. Of course, if you are really serious about it, you want to learn the original languages and read it that way. :-)