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Veneration of Mary in Luke 11:27-28
August 15, 2013 | Annalex

Posted on 08/15/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by annalex

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To: jodyel

I know; butt I gotta be me!


1,481 posted on 09/13/2013 5:03:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jodyel

Come and take it.


1,482 posted on 09/13/2013 5:03:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; jodyel; metmom
A classic example of a philosophy that appears simple at first, yet becomes incoherent under close examination and study, is Luther's man-made tradition of "the Bible alone," as the sole rule of faith.

At first glance, Luther's dogma seems clear and simple. But after examining Luther's tradition, one finds that it's self-contradictory, since it isn't biblical.

Moreover, the doctrine presupposes the validity of Luther's canon of Scripture, and his authority to determine the canon of Scripture. Was Luther infallible?

Protestants need to stand back, and try to read Scripture objectively, without presupposing Luther's doctrinal tradition. Reading Scripture objectively is difficult for everyone, since we all approach Scripture with presuppositions. Regardless, doing so will expose the incoherence of Luther's central doctrine.

1,483 posted on 09/13/2013 5:10:09 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Elsie

And that must be one of your favorites since you remembered that line...


1,484 posted on 09/13/2013 5:27:12 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: jodyel

If so, then is Rome not subject to God?


1,485 posted on 09/13/2013 5:30:08 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: jodyel
Really there is not, Thomas. All one need know is Christ saves and by believing in Him one is saved. If one knows nothing else but that, one is secure for eternity.

Simple intellectual assent? Even the demons believe, and tremble...

Yours is a very clear and simple doctrine, and I understand the psychological appeal. Yet this human tradition of salvation through simple intellectual assent, contradicts countless passages of Scripture, which many Protestants dismiss with a wave of the hand.

This demonstrates another weakness of Luther's self-contradictory doctrine of "the Bible alone." Individual interpretation of Scripture, outside of the maternal guidance of the Church, "the pillar and foundation of truth," results in a proliferation of errors.

"‘Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord" shall enter the kingdom of heaven’ (Matt. 7:21)."

"I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby justified. It is the Lord who judges me" (1 Cor. 4:4)

"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" (James 14)

He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31–46)

"Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off." (Romans 11:22)

"If any one says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen" (1 John 4:20)

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3)

Assurance of Salvation
1,486 posted on 09/13/2013 5:30:19 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: jodyel
Did you take a boat ride and eat some good Tex Mex?

A boat ride??? In Texas??? Your boats must all have wheels...

1,487 posted on 09/13/2013 5:30:37 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; BlueDragon
"κυριος" does indeed mean "lord" in every sense but since Jesus was no "master" to His aunt Elizabeth, when we have in Luke 1:43 is a prophetic recognition of Jesus as LORD our God by Elizabeth.
1,488 posted on 09/13/2013 5:31:46 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: CynicalBear
believes in Him ... (John 5:24)

Jonh 5:24 requires Catohlic belief, not Protestant theological fantasies.

1,489 posted on 09/13/2013 5:33:10 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: metmom; smvoice; CynicalBear; daniel1212; boatbums
Jesus said *It is finished* when He died on the cross

The Jewish law was finished, not everyone's salvation.

1,490 posted on 09/13/2013 5:34:19 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; smvoice
Now show me where the apostles taught that “anyone can be saved if he does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it”

It doesn't because salvation is not promised to the unbaptized, or to those who don't receive Catholic Communion. It is an exception if they are saved.

1,491 posted on 09/13/2013 5:36:54 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: WVKayaker

That’s a cool beach-buggy...


1,492 posted on 09/13/2013 5:38:28 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: jodyel

I agree that the Church is a world-wide congregation, not a building. You are wrong however to thing that any congregation of people professing some parts of the One Holy Catholic Faith immediately become the Church. You need also to have Catholic beliefs.

I notice you posted several dozen posts to me; please do not expect an answer to each one.


1,493 posted on 09/13/2013 5:39:58 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: jodyel

got a dictionary?


1,494 posted on 09/13/2013 5:40:40 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: boatbums; CynicalBear; smvoice; daniel1212; metmom; Elsie; Iscool; BlueDragon
Nobody here has ever said we can sin all we want and it doesn't matter, have we, annalex?

No, I actually said rather the opposite, with St. Paul, that you are not saved by the works of any human law. Thanks for the dissertation, but I don't see how it relates to anything I said.

1,495 posted on 09/13/2013 5:43:12 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: boatbums
It is a faithful saying: and these things I will have thee affirm constantly: that they, who believe in God, may be careful to excel in good works. (Titus, the part you pretended was not there).
1,496 posted on 09/13/2013 5:44:32 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: boatbums; CynicalBear
Do you have some Scriptures YOU deny?

I obey my Church and don't deny any scripture, even though we deny much of Protestant heresies that they spin around the Holy Scripture. For details, wait for the book.

1,497 posted on 09/13/2013 5:46:32 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Iscool
Your religion certainly DOES teach that you guys are saved by following the law along with faith

No it doesn't. Natural law, yes, but not man-made law. We have laws that abortion is legal -- we piss on that "law".

1,498 posted on 09/13/2013 5:47:59 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Iscool
If you concentrate on James and ignore Paul...

I don't ignore Paul; I explain what you don't understand about St. Paul.

1,499 posted on 09/13/2013 5:48:57 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Iscool
Paul is speaking to new Christians who have been saved by faith alone...He is encouraging the saints to be involved with good works after the fact

True, but they have not been saved if they do not follow up with the good works. They will "make a shipwreck concerning the faith" (1 Timothy 1:19). If you do not do works of love and mercy your faith will die and you will lose your salvation.

1,500 posted on 09/13/2013 5:51:55 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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