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To: vladimir998
The earliest references show a complete acceptance of the doctrine and that acceptance could only come if it was known everywhere and for a very long time. To say anything else about what I said is to lie - outright lie.

Just one more thought on this statement of yours. IF, like you claim, it was "known everywhere and for a very long time" and that "everyone" accepted it was true, then how come there is so much uncertainty about WHERE she died, WHEN she died, WHERE she was buried, WHETHER or not she actually died and other specific questions? Wouldn't it seem logical that such a miraculous event that was "completely accepted" have even some of these details recorded and attested to by known leaders of the church? I don't think these are questions that shouldn't be asked nor is the asking of them any indication of lying or bigotry.

306 posted on 07/30/2013 2:55:41 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

You wrote:

“then how come there is so much uncertainty about WHERE she died, WHEN she died, WHERE she was buried, WHETHER or not she actually died and other specific questions?”

Not necessarily. Where did she die? The two common possibilities are: Ephesus or Jerusalem. Where was she buried: Again, two common possibilities: Ephesus or Jerusalem. Whether or not she died before the Assumption: earliest sources say she died. It doesn’t matter in any case.

“Wouldn’t it seem logical that such a miraculous event that was “completely accepted” have even some of these details recorded and attested to by known leaders of the church?”

No. The inspiration of the New Testament was a whole series of miraculous events. We know not a single major detail in scripture or otherwise.

“I don’t think these are questions that shouldn’t be asked nor is the asking of them any indication of lying or bigotry.”

No, it wouldn’t be, but that’s not what you’re doing. You’re not asking questions. Here’s what you’re doing in this thread:

In post #272 you say something that is based upon a completely false idea of any thing I ever said:

“I’d like to see all this “evidence” you have that disputes what even Catholic references have to say about the subject.”

In post #232 you quote a Catholic women’s website as if it was an authoritative source. You didn’t ask a single question in that post. Not one. You’re apparent premise was also incorrect.

So, when you claim, “I don’t think these are questions that shouldn’t be asked nor is the asking of them any indication of lying or bigotry” I have to consider that nothing short of nonsense.


309 posted on 07/30/2013 4:06:50 PM PDT by vladimir998
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