“These Scriptures are the EXACT same ones that were used to make many of the English translations we have today in our Bibles.”
Depends entirely on which bible and which edition you are talking about. The ones primarily used by Protestants do not use the Greek documents available to the Church fathers in the time of Nicaea. They tend to use manuscripts dating anywhere from 7 to 9 centuries after.
The reason I ask the question is this. We do not at present possess the texts that they would have consulted in this period of time, 320 AD. We cannot say with definitive proof that the scriptures extant, Greek or otherwise are the same as the ones used by the Council.
Which raises the question. If, in fact, it is true that our oldest scriptural manuscripts do not go back that far - should we really be relying on scripture or the Councils to determine what the Apostles believed?
This is my point - authority comes from the Apostles themselves, not from Scripture to the Apostles. The bishops at Nicaea were and are the successors of the Apostles and thus, have the authority to interpret sacred scripture.
Which raises a question - where does the authority to determine doctrine come from - scripture or the magisterium?
“Cynical Bear asked where you thought the Council of Nicea got the idea about the Trinity”
Cynical bear needs to answer some questions if he wants answers to his. He has never answered any of my questions, so I do not feel compelled to answer his.
What I notice is that protestants don’t answer questions and then get pouty when their questions are not answered.
In short - want an answer, answer my questions too.
Source? Would you care to provide documentation for the statements you keep throwing out as fact?
Your track record is not so great at the moment, but if you're going to keep speaking so authoritatively, you need to back yourself up.
He asked first. Go ahead and answer his instead of throwing other questions out there in alleged response to his and see what happens.
Also, FR courtesy seems to be seriously lacking amongst FRoman Catholics. It's protocol to courtesy ping someone whom you mention, especially by name, in a post.
The earliest church fathers mostly used words in their writings which match those words found in those later (Protestant) manuscripts will ignoring those of the Catholic religion...What a coincidence, eh??? Kinda like the Dead Sea Scrolls...
Never answered any of your questions?
Monday, July 15, 2013 10:22:25 PM · 710 of 1,120 = answered your questions.
Monday, July 15, 2013 9:54:09 PM · 693 of 1,120 = answered your question
Monday, July 15, 2013 8:51:16 PM · 675 of 1,120 = answered your question
Monday, July 15, 2013 8:31:15 PM · 670 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:02:26 PM · 372 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:00:23 PM · 317 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:45:37 PM · 301 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:19:38 PM · 285 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:07:26 PM · 274 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:59:20 PM · 264 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:43:48 PM · 247 of 1,120 = answered your question
Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:29:40 PM · 223 of 1,120 = anweredd your question
That's just since Sunday! Need I go on or does that give some indication of the honesty of that statement? How many of your other statement have the voracity of "he has never answered any of my questions"?