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To: JCBreckenridge
Depends entirely on which bible and which edition you are talking about. The ones primarily used by Protestants do not use the Greek documents available to the Church fathers in the time of Nicaea. They tend to use manuscripts dating anywhere from 7 to 9 centuries after.

The earliest church fathers mostly used words in their writings which match those words found in those later (Protestant) manuscripts will ignoring those of the Catholic religion...What a coincidence, eh??? Kinda like the Dead Sea Scrolls...

1,027 posted on 07/17/2013 9:27:39 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

The KJV is based on the Masoretic text. Which dates about 700 years after Nicaea.

The RCC on the other hand, uses Codex Vaticanus as the primary source text.


1,030 posted on 07/17/2013 9:36:21 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Iscool
The earliest church fathers mostly used words in their writings which match those words found in those later (Protestant) manuscripts will ignoring those of the Catholic religion...What a coincidence, eh??? Kinda like the Dead Sea Scrolls...

Speaking of WORDS...


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


1,096 posted on 07/17/2013 11:23:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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