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The Supreme Authority for Catholics is Almighty God.
Jesus Christ began to build His Church before one word of the New Testament was written down, and that Church obviously did NOT have a New Testament to use as an authority at that time. The Supreme Authority for the Church that Jesus Christ built was always Almighty God. Right from the very beginning of the Church that Jesus Christ founded, the Holy Spirit was guiding the Church in her teachings before one word of the New Testament was written down, and the Holy Spirit has been guiding the Church in her teachings ever since, just like Jesus Christ solemnly promised.
That Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is NOT based on the traditions of men -- that is utterly false, no matter how many times you choose to repeat it. The Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is based on the Holy Teachings of God, given to men.
The Scriptures are very important, but they only contain a small smidgen of what God has done, and what God continues to do.
John 21:25 explicitly states that Jesus did many other things that were NOT written down, and that all the books in the world would likely not be able to hold all of them.
God also continues to do many other new things all the time, which are not recorded in the Scriptures. (For example, He gave you your life, and that is not recorded in the Bible.)
You also said in an earlier post (#788) that Patrick Madrid tries to sound like an evangelical by quoting so much scripture. With all due respect, BALONEY! Rather, Patrick Madrid sounds like a Catholic. Having gone to many thousands of different Protestant services for many years, I can tell you without a doubt that Catholics typically hear many more readings from the Scriptures in their Masses than Protestants do in their typical services.
If you don't believe that, I urge you to try an experiment for about two or three weeks. The Daily Mass on EWTN is run live at 8 AM Eastern time (then usually rerun at 12 noon and 7PM). To watch it online, go to the EWTN web site here:
then highlight the word "Television" at the top of that page, then move down to highlight "Live TV - English", then over to "LIve Streams", "United States English", and click on that. A window pops open which will show the live (or rerun) Mass.
Watch those Daily Masses for about two or three weeks, and write down all the explicit Biblical texts hich are read during the Masses. (Don't worry about all the many other additional Bibical references that are made during each Mass, but only the explicit Bible texts given and read during each Mass.)
Be completely honest with yourself when you assess those Bible readings. (Remember that dishonesty comes from Satan.)
(By the way, that is only the tip of the iceberg as far as the Catholic use of Bible readings every single day -- some time do a Google search on "Liturgy of the Hours" and "Catholic Bible Study", and "Lectio Divina", just for extended starters.)
I have to sign off now, but I hope you get a chance tomorrow to start watching those Daily Masses, so you can see for yourself, and not keep repeating your many erroneous statements, over and over and over again.
Goodnight.
Of course you mean your Catholic Church...However, there is not a single bit of evidence for that...We are to believe because your religion claims it??? The Mormons claim the same thing...So that means your religion is tied for first place among those religions who claim to be Christian but don't believe the bible...
That Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is NOT based on the traditions of men -- that is utterly false, no matter how many times you choose to repeat it. The Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is based on the Holy Teachings of God, given to men.
Those teaching aren't in the scriptures...Where are they??? Who were they given to??? And when???
The Scriptures are very important, but they only contain a small smidgen of what God has done, and what God continues to do.
If you want to put an legitimacy to your claim, show us what God has done outside the scriptures pertaining to your religion...Otherwise, you may as well be blowing bubbles...
John 21:25 explicitly states that Jesus did many other things that were NOT written down, and that all the books in the world would likely not be able to hold all of them.
So what did Jesus tell you guys that he didn't write in the scriptures??? You got anything??? Anything at all???
Which means nothing, as Rome claims to supremely infallibly and authoritatively determine what is from God, including what is Scripture and what He means, as according to her interpretation, or decree, only her interpretation can be correct in any conflict.
In other words, She has infallibly declared she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.Thus Rome is effectively and functionally the supreme and autocratic authority on truth. Do you disagree?
Thus Ligouri states, God Himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of His priest, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution… The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it.” – Dignity and Duties of the Priest, St. Alphonsus Ligouri, Vol. 12, p. 2. http://www.archive.org/stream/alphonsusworks12liguuoft/alphonsusworks12liguuoft_djvu.txt
An adherent of sola scriptura (SS) must establish his truth claims on Scriptural substantiation, which is what the Lord and His apostle did, and cannot claim assured infallibility as if he were a little pope. Only in Rome does can a individual claim to be infallible - the supreme example of elevation of an individual moral.
Jesus Christ began to build His Church before one word of the New Testament was written down, and that Church obviously did NOT have a New Testament to use as an authority at that time.... and the Holy Spirit has been guiding the Church in her teachings ever since, just like Jesus Christ solemnly promised.
So are you saying being the instrument and steward of Divine revelation and inheritor of the promises of God means this instrument must posses assured infallibility and authority. And that those who dissent from it are not to be followed?
That Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is NOT based on the traditions of men -- that is utterly false, no matter how many times you choose to repeat it. The Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is based on the Holy Teachings of God, given to men.
Again, the fact is that as Rome claims to indisputably determine and define the Holy Teachings of God, and what mere traditions are, and cannot be corrected by others based on Scripture, as the Lord and His apostles did to the Pharisees, (Lk. 7:2-16) who, like Rome, presumed a level of veracity above that which was written. (cf. 1Cor. 4:6) Thus Rome is the supreme and autocratic authority, no matter how many times you choose to deny it.
The Scriptures are very important, but they only contain a small smidgen of what God has done, and what God continues to do.
The marginalization of Scripture is consistent with the exaltation of Rome in sola ecclesia, yet in contrast, the Lord established His claims upon Scriptural substantiation, in text and in power, as did the apostles and early church. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)
For in contrast to mere tradition, Scripture is abundantly evidenced to be the supreme transcendent standard for obedience and for establishing truth claims, as being the assured Word of God.(2Tim. 3:16)
Some of Scripture first existed in oral form, but part of its establishment was upon conformity to what was written, whereas Rome's amorphous tradition is oral, and remains oral, out of which she channels doctrines which are not found in Scripture, such as PTDS , as this thread has revealed.
John 21:25 explicitly states that Jesus did many other things that were NOT written down, and that all the books in the world would likely not be able to hold all of them.
Indeed, and we know this by Scripture, (2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 10:4) and SS does not claim all that can be know is written, but Scripture is the established assured word of God, by which all truth claims are tested, and provides, formally or materially, all that is needed for faith and its fruits.
You also said in an earlier post (#788) that Patrick Madrid tries to sound like an evangelical by quoting so much scripture. With all due respect, BALONEY! Rather, Patrick Madrid sounds like a Catholic.
Not baloney; he sounds like a Catholic trying to be like an evangelical. It was Rome which hindered literacy in Scripture among the laity for hundreds of years, until after the Reformation (and invention of the printing press which Rome could not control).
Having gone to many thousands of different Protestant services for many years, I can tell you without a doubt that Catholics typically hear many more readings from the Scriptures in their Masses than Protestants do in their typical services.
Your claim is suspect.
Until recently little of the Bible was read in Mass, and today this is still not much. “At mid-century study of Bible texts was not an integral part of the primary or secondary school curriculum. At best, the Bible was conveyed through summaries of the texts.” (The Catholic Study Bible, Oxford University Press, 1990, p. RG16) Even by 1951 just a little of the gospels and the epistles were read on Sundays, with just 0.39% of the Old Testament (aside from the Psalms) being read at Vigils and major feast days in 1951. (http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm) While that amount has increased since Vatican Two, only going to Mass will not give one a functional knowledge of Scripture. The average Catholic does not even get to Mass weekly, less alone daily as would be needed to get just 12.7% of the Bible over the two year reading cycle (based on stats from last source)
And you are talking to a former RC who served as a lector and CCD teacher, and knows how RCs get bits of the Bible in Mass, with its truncated readings.
The Daily Mass on EWTN
So how many RCs go to daily mass? Want some stats on what manner of fruit Rome overall produces, versus Evangelicals (even in the latter day apostasy of the church)
(Remember that dishonesty comes from Satan.)
Indeed. Your "proof" that using the Bible like Madrid is a Catholic pratice rests upon them going to daily masses, and which is a minute percentage of RCs, and ignores the fact that they come in almost last in Bible reading, versus evangelicals. Ask random RCs to even name their favorite Bible verse and you usually get a blank stare And very very RCs will attempt to use the Bible to prove doctrine, which is just as well when it comes to traditions Madrid attempts to support.
I have to sign off now, but I hope you get a chance tomorrow to start watching those Daily Masses
Why would i want to return to Babylon? I was manifestly born again while still an RC, and stayed as a weekly attendee for 6 years (in the Catholic NE, while being fed spiritually via evangelical preaching on radio) , and know the profound difference btwn institutionalized faith and that seen in the church of the living God.
Saying that with the mouth but the heart is far from it - is being hypocritical. Because catholics serve 'man which is evil' and hear/obey their teachings designed to deceived.
CATHOLICS HEAR and OBEY 'man' and their teachings so it's hypocritical to say GOD is their supreme authority.
Isaiah and Jesus already called out those under the thumb of 'man which is evil' as hypocrites. So If GOD IS the catholics' supreme authority they MUST believe HIM when HE said that and REPENT NOW and shame the devil or the HYPOCRITE title is theirs.
"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely HUMAN rules." Matthew 15:8,9
Catholics, mormons, muslims are NOT under God's covenant and therefore, on their own and GOD'S PROMISES do NOT belong to them. With deceitful lips they try to claim it but they do NOT have it!
But to the wicked person, God says: "What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips? Psalm 50:16
He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; THEIR TEACHINGS are MERELY HUMAN RULES.'
"These rules, which have to do with things that are ALL destined to PERISH with use, are based on MERELY HUMAN RULES and COMMANDS". Colossians 2:22
So the catechism, the book of mormons and koran will be burned up - as they all have been deceived by 'man which is evil'. Catholics, wise up or you will spend eternity learning a lesson you could have learned RIGHT NOW!
A prayer of David. Hear me, LORD, my plea is just; listen to my cry. Hear my prayer-- it does not rise from deceitful lips. "Psalm 17:1
OBEY Jesus The Word or perish.