Can you see that conjuring spirits, to gain secret information, is different from asking the saints in heaven to pray for us?
What, in principle, could be wrong with asking the saints to pray for us? Are they evil?
Scripture shows us that the saints hear our prayers, and present them to God.
Rev 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people.
Protestants often criticize Catholics for clinging to religious dogma, when they don't realize that they are following Protestant dogmas, and erroneous interpretations of Scripture, which they mistake as their own infallible interpretation of Scripture.
Protestantism treats the Bible as a dead letter, since under Protestant teaching, there exists no earthly authority to interpret Scripture infallibly, except, presumably, the individual believer (!). The temptation to pride is obvious, as each Protestant clings to his or her own (infallible?) interpretation of Scripture.
Liberalism treats the Constitution as a Living Document.
Liberalism treats the Constitution as a Living Document.
NO, what's evil is breaking the clear commands of God to not contact the spirit realm and call on the dead. Show us from Scripture where it is commanded, where it is condoned, and where it is promised to help.
What is evil is saying that praying to God the Father isn't good enough.
What is evil is not praying according to the commands of Jesus to ask the FATHER for what we need and want.
Show us from Scripture that those whose physical bodies have died have the power to hear our prayers at all not to mention the ability to act on them and grant requests.
Such as? And who says their interpretation is infallible? Far as I can tell, only the Catholic church makes the claim to be the only body capable of infallibly interpreting Scripture.
Protestantism treats the Bible as a dead letter, since under Protestant teaching, there exists no earthly authority to interpret Scripture infallibly, except, presumably, the individual believer (!). The temptation to pride is obvious, as each Protestant clings to his or her own (infallible?) interpretation of Scripture.
How many times does this verse need to be posted before Catholics get it?
Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
How ironic that non-Catholics are condemned for believing in sola scriptura and then told we believe the Bible is a dead book.
A person just can't win against Catholic "logic".
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people.
Obviously there's no way a Catholic could understand this but the reference has nothing to do with the prayers of Spirit filled Christians...It is a dispensational truth that does not apply to Christians...A study of prayers as incense thru out the bible apparently would just confuse you more...
Our (Christian) prayers do go up as incense carried by angels or collected in golden bowls held by 24 elders who are playing harps before the Throne of God...
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
We have direct access to God...Our prayers do not go thru angels or elders...People can pray for us or with us...Our prayers do not go thru anyone...