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To: narses

“...why he decided to do that I have no clue...”

Martin Luther chucked 2 Maccabees 12:46 because it references purgatory. He threw out anything that he felt questioned his faith alone (sola fida) error.

The books were then found with the Dead Sea scrolls proving Martin Luther made a grave error in his “editing” of the bible omitting the so called apocrypha.

To know history is to cease to be protestant.

Martin Luther was an improperly formed failed Augustinian monk.


1,366 posted on 07/19/2013 8:38:51 PM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: stonehouse01

Are FR Catholics swinging wildly back to hating Martin Luther again? Love, hate, love, hate. Must be a full moon or something.


1,368 posted on 07/19/2013 8:42:33 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: stonehouse01
Define CHUCKED.
1,381 posted on 07/20/2013 3:37:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stonehouse01
Martin Luther was an improperly formed failed Augustinian monk.

Then he was perfectly qualified to be a pope!

1,382 posted on 07/20/2013 3:39:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stonehouse01; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; Greetings_Puny_Humans; ...
To know history is to cease to be protestant.

Rather, it is Rome and her defenders which compel history to conform to supporting her desired version, with the idea that Luther was some maverick in rejecting books being one of them. A page to see on Luther and the canon is here .

As has been abundantly documented many times here, Luther was not, but doubts and disagreement about books of Trent's canon continued down thru the centuries and right into Trent, which provides the first indisputable canon for Catholics in the year Luther died (1546).

Read above links and (attempts to support the DC by the Vulgate or LXX) this before responding.

And rather than Luther having no scholarly reasons, he did, while Rome affirmed 2 Mac looking for support for purgatory, but which even that actually fails to directly provide. The text does not say prayers were for these soldiers to exit purgatory, rather it had to do with resurrection. The New Catholic Answer Bible, as well as my NAB on 12:42-46 states, “The statement is made here, however, only for the purpose of proving that Judas believed in the resurrection of the just (2 Mc 7,9. 14. 23. 36)....His belief was similar to, but not quite the same, as the Catholic doctrine of purgatory.

2 Mac 12 alone affirms offerings being made for the dead, but which were for them were slain due to idolatry, (2Mac. 12:40) a mortal sin according to Rome for which there is not hope for those who die in it, thus requiring RCAs to minimize the consecrated idols which caused their death, or postulating they may have repented at the last.

In addition, as French historian Jacques Le Goff states

“It then becomes clear that at the time of Judas Maccabeus - around 170 B.C., a surprisingly innovative period - prayer for the dead was not practiced, but that a century later it was practiced by certain Jews.” -Jacques Le Goff, The Birth of Purgatory, trans. Arthur Goldhammer (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press.

As for the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran,

these included not only the community's Bible (the Old Testament) but their library, with fragments of hundreds of books. Among these were some Old Testament Apocryphal books. The fact that no commentaries were found for an Apocryphal book, and only canonical books were found in the special parchment and script indicates that the Apocryphal books were not viewed as canonical by the Qumran community. — The Apocrypha - Part Two Dr. Norman Geisler http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/theological-dictionary/TD1W0602.pd

1,393 posted on 07/20/2013 8:15:03 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: stonehouse01
To know history is to cease to be protestant.

To know Scripture is to cease to be Catholic.

1,401 posted on 07/20/2013 11:14:48 AM PDT by metmom (rFor freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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