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To: metmom
"That's interesting because we have other sources posted here that say the supreme authority for Catholics is either the pope or the 'Church'."

Do you believe that the Gospels (written by the Gospel writers) are infallible?    If so, did the writers of the Gospels write infallibly because of their own personal infallibility, or did they write infallibly because of the infallibility provided them by God?    (Or do you think God did NOT provide those writers with infallibility when writing those Gospels?)

You have to be able to grasp that Jesus Christ founded His Church, just like He solemnly promised, and He has NOT abandoned His Church, and He said that the gates of hell would NOT prevail against her, and that the Holy Spirit would always guide her.    Take Jesus at His word.

1,248 posted on 07/18/2013 3:52:42 PM PDT by Heart-Rest (Good reading ==> | ncregister.com | catholic.com | ewtn.com | newadvent.org |)
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To: Heart-Rest; metmom
>>If so, did the writers of the Gospels write infallibly because of their own personal infallibility, or did they write infallibly because of the infallibility provided them by God?<<

Neither. They are infallible because the words written were given to the writers by the Holy Spirit. It’s not any mans infallibility. It’s only the RCC that perpetuates that myth. Christ was the only infallible man.

>>Take Jesus at His word.<<

We do. It’s just that we know that the “church” Jesus started is not the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC is a totally corrupt combination of Paganism and Christianity which has been condemned by God and is called the whore of Babylon in Revelation.

1,250 posted on 07/18/2013 4:14:28 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Heart-Rest
You have to be able to grasp that Jesus Christ founded His Church, just like He solemnly promised, and He has NOT abandoned His Church, and He said that the gates of hell would NOT prevail against her, and that the Holy Spirit would always guide her. Take Jesus at His word.

I surely do.

I'm just not convinced that the promises He made concerning His church mean the Catholic church. Matter of fact, since Jesus did not come to establish a religious system and I see the history and fruit of Catholicism, I'm convinced that it's not.

1,262 posted on 07/18/2013 7:37:22 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Heart-Rest
You have to be able to grasp that Jesus Christ founded His Church, just like He solemnly promised, and He has NOT abandoned His Church, and He said that the gates of hell would NOT prevail against her, and that the Holy Spirit would always guide her. Take Jesus at His word.

All that is true...But since the words of God in the scriptures condemns your religious practices, we know for certain that yours is not the Church Jesus was referring to...

1,265 posted on 07/18/2013 7:47:25 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Heart-Rest
Take Jesus at His word.

"What MUST we do..."

1,296 posted on 07/19/2013 4:12:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest
You have to be able to grasp that Jesus Christ founded His Church, just like He solemnly promised, and He has NOT abandoned His Church, and He said that the gates of hell would NOT prevail against her, and that the Holy Spirit would always guide her.

(PSST... ignore some of our ignoble popes. They were some REALLY bad dudes!)



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

1,297 posted on 07/19/2013 4:20:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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