Your track record is not so great at the moment, but if you're going to keep speaking so authoritatively, you need to back yourself up.
Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
You are a longtime FRiend, Tax-chick. Thank you for your prayer.
I am so grateful, JohnGrace, for your prayer and your continuing prayers.
Thank you, dadfly. “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done...”
That statement? (No)
That concept? (Essentially, yes...in the same verse you cited yourself: Matthew 28:18..."ALL authority has been given to me" ... So you think, Jesus no longer has ALL authority????)
Thank you, yorkie. Your prayers are special to us. Thank you so much.
You have been a FRiend for over a decade. Thank you so much, and please add him to your regular prayer list.
You, too, narses have been a decade long FRiend. Thank you for your prayer and your prayers.
What a wonderful scripture, Boatbums, and thank you for your prayer.
Thank you so much, sister in Christ, for your prayer and for the scriptural uplift.
Your track record is not so great at the moment, but if you're going to keep speaking so authoritatively, you need to back yourself up.
Born again believers are already seated in heaven with Him, spiritually..
Ephesians 2:4-7 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Prayer is answered when prayed in accordance to God's will, not because of hos *righteous* someone appears to be.
1 John 5:14-15 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
You said:
“So you believe that Catholics themselves believe that protestants are not Christians? This is not true.”
You also said:
“Because we believe you are Christians and that there is just one Church, under Jesus Christ.”
I’m not sure what you or regular Catholics believe, but those statements are not in line with the official position of Rome, historically or today. The most recent iteration of your catechism, compiled under the direction of none other than Ratzinger I believe, unequivocally stated that the sacraments, which are in the hand of the pope, are “necessary” for salvation. Since I have not availed myself to the sacraments of the Roman church, and I never will, I can’t be saved under Ratzinger’s formulation, which purports to be official doctrine.
Paragraph 1129 says: “The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.”
That seems clear to me. Am I misreading it?
And if we go back in history to 1302, we find Unam Sanctam, Boniface VIII’s Papal Bull, in which he claimed: “Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...”
“Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
Has this unbiblical blasphemy and utter falsehood known as Unam Sanctam ever been renounced?
I will never ever subject myself to a Roman Pontiff. I don’t know why any God-fearing man who knows their Bible would do so either. The titles that man heaps upon himself are all I would need to run. For instance, Scripture declares that the Lord, and the Lord alone, is holy.
Revelation 15:4 “Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.”
And so what's the point of having saints in heaven pray for us?
We have Jesus interceding for us and the Holy Spirit interceding for us, both according to the will of God (which should go without saying).
WHY go to the saints? Is God too busy? Do people think God isn't listening to them or going to listen to them?
Do they think the more people asking on their behalf is going to change God's mind?
Are they going to do something for them that God Himself would not do, IOW to act contrary to God's will?
Jesus Himself told us to pray to the Father and promised the HE would hear and answer us. Is that not good enough?
What more would someone want than to have the Creator of the whole universe Himself promise to hear and answer our prayers Himself?
From reading the prayers directed to the saints, it sure seems that people think that the saints are more compassionate and merciful towards humans than God Himself is.
"Hey, so and so, ask God for me....."
What an appalling lack of trust in God to do what is right and lack of faith in the promises Jesus made about prayer and the Father.
I’ve been really busy so maybe I missed it, but did you post a prayer thread for him?
And if not, would you?
That way you can keep everyone updated easier than trying to find it in this thread.
Prayers up for you grandson.
“I’m not sure what you or regular Catholics believe, but those statements are not in line with the official position of Rome, historically or today.”
This is, once again. False. Lumen Gentium. It’s already been posted in the thread and I suggest you look it up if you want to know what the Catholic church teaches.
You are free to state whatever you believe, but you are not free to say what is not true about what the Catholic church teaches.
Thank you, metmom. I will.
Official church teaching and ex cathedra statements by previous popes does support that.
Much documentation was posted in post 850 this thread and daniel1212 has more.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3042902/posts?page=850#850
“That concept? (Essentially, yes...in the same verse you cited yourself: Matthew 28:18...”ALL authority has been given to me” ... So you think, Jesus no longer has ALL authority????)”
You made a distinction between ‘delegated + derived’ a distinction that appears nowhere in that passage, and certainly not elsewhere in scripture.
I’m curious as to where this particular concept arose? Jesus passed authority to St. Peter and the Apostles - the power to bind and loose, the power to forgive sins. I realize this is kryptonite to protestants because it challenges their believe that the individual has the primary authority. Jesus is whomever you make of him.
Again, I notice you’re still avoiding citations of Lumen Gentium. ;)
One would think that if one wants to know what the Catholic church teaches one would consult a Catechism.
Of course, it’s really not about what the Catholic church *actually* teaches, is it? It’s about what you wish she did.
Again - we believe that non Catholic christians are christians - that the Holy Spirit is in their lives. Unlike yourselves of whom many have already stated that they believe Catholics are followers of Satan and are hell bound.
It’s a curious incongruity. Those who reject Catholicism altogether cannot accept that the Church does not reject them.
Definition of NECROMANCY (Webster)
1: conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events.
Are RC's guilty of some form of Necromancy?
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