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To: .45 Long Colt; daniel1212
Paragraph 1129 says: “The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.” That seems clear to me. Am I misreading it?

Official church teaching and ex cathedra statements by previous popes does support that.

Much documentation was posted in post 850 this thread and daniel1212 has more.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3042902/posts?page=850#850

997 posted on 07/17/2013 7:15:22 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Again, I notice you’re still avoiding citations of Lumen Gentium. ;)

One would think that if one wants to know what the Catholic church teaches one would consult a Catechism.

Of course, it’s really not about what the Catholic church *actually* teaches, is it? It’s about what you wish she did.

Again - we believe that non Catholic christians are christians - that the Holy Spirit is in their lives. Unlike yourselves of whom many have already stated that they believe Catholics are followers of Satan and are hell bound.

It’s a curious incongruity. Those who reject Catholicism altogether cannot accept that the Church does not reject them.


999 posted on 07/17/2013 7:18:34 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: metmom

Great stuff in your comment. Thank you!

Here is something else I found in the official catechism of the Roman church. After reading this, any Bible-believing God-fearing man should run as fast from Rome as possible. All other Roman blasphemies aside, this should tell you all you need to know about this pontiff and the institution he heads.

Paragraph 882 reads as follows: “The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.” “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM

Let’s compare #882 from the catechism to Scripture.

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” (Matthew 28:18)

So, in the wake of His resurrection, the Bible tells us that Jesus claimed to hold ALL power in heaven and in earth. That doesn’t seem to square with the claim of papal power found in paragraph 882.

Let’s look further:

Ephesians 1:20-23
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

God the Father put ALL things under the feet of Jesus Christ, and gave Jesus Christ to be the head over ALL things to the church, which is His body! Hmmm, that doesn’t seem to square with the papal claim either.

Here is another papal claim from the official catechism:

Paragraph 937 says, “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, “supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls”
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM

Christ claimed He had been given all power, but Rome says that power is in the hands of the pope. WOW!


1,015 posted on 07/17/2013 8:25:54 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: metmom

Yes, but Rome defines what is right and wrong, and what a contradiction is, thus she cannot be wrong and contradict herself.


1,056 posted on 07/17/2013 10:14:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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