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Where Does the Bible Say We Should Pray to Dead Saints?
catholic-convert ^ | July 11, 2012 | Steve Ray

Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Elsie
We are over 7150 replies later and STILL no Catholic seems to have an answer for this:

Then just WHO is going to RISE FROM THEIR tombs at the end?

741 posted on 07/15/2013 8:00:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JCBreckenridge

You lose!

The Two Babylons contains all of the quotes, and a huge bibliography, all of which is on file at Oxford for your perusal.

The only people resisting the well researched truth in The Two Babylons are those that reject Yeshua, and are no part of his kingdom.


742 posted on 07/15/2013 8:00:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

Obama’s zombies?

They all have Rosary beads.


743 posted on 07/15/2013 8:02:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JCBreckenridge
>> I don’t see much point in discussing scripture with a non-trinitarian.<<

Show from any post of mine where I denied believing in the Trinity. If you can’t I would suggest you stop such scurrilous injections into what I believe.

744 posted on 07/15/2013 8:02:53 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: editor-surveyor

“a huge bibliography, all of which is on file at Oxford for your perusal.”

Most of which was identified 150 years ago as a complete fabrication. Most of his ‘citations’ either do not exist or were distortions of what were actually written.

It was already done. By actual biblical protestant scholars.

Again, do you really think that Semiaramis was a soprano and that there exists historical evidence to this fact? C’mon. Be honest here.


745 posted on 07/15/2013 8:03:14 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: CynicalBear

“Show from any post of mine where I denied believing in the Trinity. If you can’t I would suggest you stop such scurrilous injections into what I believe.”

You said you rejected Nicaea. That, makes you not a Christian. Now, it might make you a mormon or a witness, but there’s a bright line there.


746 posted on 07/15/2013 8:04:38 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge; CynicalBear

>> “I don’t see much point in discussing scripture with a non-trinitarian.” <<

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It is my studied observation that you eschew the discussion of scripture in general.


747 posted on 07/15/2013 8:05:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JCBreckenridge; CynicalBear

Those that do not reject Nicea will not see Yehova’s rest.


748 posted on 07/15/2013 8:07:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JCBreckenridge

So the ancient documents in the library at Oxford are fabrication?

You’re a hoot!


749 posted on 07/15/2013 8:08:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Alex Murphy

“I did not expect, and was actually surprised, that you would post that level of information on a public website for all to see.”

So then why did you ask a question for which you did not expect an answer?

“You were certainly free to turn me down”

I didn’t because I believe, firmly, in accountability. I really am a Catholic. I go to church in Austin at St. Ignatius. With the time and stuff, you could even come and visit if you wanted to.

It’s no secret! I understand your apprehension - however, you did open this can of worms by asking the questions that you did.

“it was incredibly foolish given our current government’s data-collecting activities”

Well, ok. Obama wants to arrest me, he’s quite welcome!


750 posted on 07/15/2013 8:09:11 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m saying that Hislop’s citation of these ‘ancient documents’ are by and large a fabrication.

Again, this was proven 150 years ago. It’s fanciful, well-crafted elaborate fairy tales unworthy of further study and speculation.


751 posted on 07/15/2013 8:11:07 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: editor-surveyor

One who is willing to reject the Trinity has greater issues than the authority of scripture.


752 posted on 07/15/2013 8:11:45 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
...why did you ask a question for which you did not expect an answer?

Consider it a test.

I didn’t [turn you down] because I believe, firmly, in accountability. I really am a Catholic. I go to church in Austin at St. Ignatius. With the time and stuff, you could even come and visit if you wanted to.

An admirable sentiment, and an honest invitation. You never know when I might take you up on it.

I understand your apprehension - however, you did open this can of worms by asking the questions that you did.

Indeed I did. Touche.

Well, ok. Obama wants to arrest me, he’s quite welcome!

I'll shake your hand gladly and save a place for you in the holding cell, should it happen. Look for a guy humming cartoon theme songs on the back bench - it'll probably be me.

753 posted on 07/15/2013 8:16:52 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: JCBreckenridge

STOP IT!! STOP making this thread about me. Cursing, flagrantly disobeying the rules - what are you doing here anyway?


754 posted on 07/15/2013 8:19:21 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: JCBreckenridge

The trinity is not a doctrinal issue in God’s word.

The Father, Son, and Spirit exist, but so what?

Other than the erroneous call in Acts regarding baptism that is found in later manuscripts, there is no trinity issue at all.

Perhaps catholics want to tie trinity to the pagan three finger pope salute?

Who knows.


755 posted on 07/15/2013 8:21:56 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JCBreckenridge

How can a citation of a document be fabrication?

The volumes do exist, and the quoted passages therein are completely accurate, so where is the fabrication?


756 posted on 07/15/2013 8:23:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: presently no screen name

>> “ what are you doing here anyway?” <<

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That should be obvious to you by now!


757 posted on 07/15/2013 8:24:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Alex Murphy

“An admirable sentiment, and an honest invitation. You never know when I might take you up on it.”

Well, cool. Let me know if you’re ever in town.


758 posted on 07/15/2013 8:30:07 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: editor-surveyor

The fact that they don’t say what he claims they do? They don’t say anything of the sort?


759 posted on 07/15/2013 8:31:23 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: presently no screen name

Making friends?


760 posted on 07/15/2013 8:31:46 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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