NOW some darned good imagery appears!
(Sure beats typing a thousand words!!)
Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
So do I, only to get spanked by the Religious Modernator demanding that I contribute to the discussion with quotes from the Big Book! I’m paraphrasing, but not kidding.
So you are agreeing with me that the Earth and entire universe (heavens) will end. Is that what you are saying? Because a new heavens and earth mean the old ones are GONE!
You are talking in circles...
I couldn’t agree more.
One last time, Luther did NOT remove any books from his German translation of the Bible. Those who continue to insist he did are simply being untruthful and dishonest. From the link (since I offered to give it to you again many times and you never wanted to see it) http://tquid.sharpens.org/Luther_%20canon.htm#a2:
An obvious sign that someone has not read anything about Luther and the canon is the assertion, “Luther removed books from the Bible,” or “Luther removed books from the New Testament.” It is a simple historical fact that Luther’s translation of the Bible contained all of its books. Luther began translating the New Testament in 1521, and released a finished version in 1522. He published sections of the Old Testament as he finished them. He finished the entire Bible by 1534. During these years, various incomplete editions were released. Some Protestants might be surprised to learn that Luther also translated the Apocrypha. The editors of Luther’s Works explain, “In keeping with early Christian tradition, Luther also included the Apocrypha of the Old Testament. Sorting them out of the canonical books, he appended them at the end of the Old Testament with the caption, ‘These books are not held equal to the Scriptures, but are useful and good to read.’”[9]
Even after Luther finished his translation, he never ceased revising it. Phillip Schaff has pointed out, “He never ceased to amend his translation. Besides correcting errors, he improved the uncouth and confused orthography, fixed the inflections, purged the vocabulary of obscure and ignoble words, and made the whole more symmetrical and melodious. He prepared five original editions, or recensions, of his whole Bible, the last in 1545, a year before his death. This is the proper basis of all critical editions.”[10] Great care and work went into Luther’s Bible. This means that every book in the Bible was given great concern and attention. No book of the Bible was left un-translated. As Catholic writer John Todd observed, “The work was done with great method…”[11] Todd then relates this famous description:
“Dr. M. Luther gathered his own Sanhedrin of the best persons available, which assembled weekly, several hours before supper in the doctor’s cloister, namely D. Johann Burgenhagen, D. Justus Jonas, D. Creuziger, M. Philippum, Mattheum Aurogallum; Magister Georg Roerer, the Korrektor was also present…M. Philipp brought the Greek text with him. D Creuziger a Chaldean Bible in addition to Hebrew. The professors had their rabbinical commentaries. D. Pommer also had the Latin text…The President submitted a text and permitted each to speak in turn and listened to what each had to say about the characteristics of the language or about the expositions of the doctors in earlier times.”[12]
Thus, Luther’s Bible is not simply the result of Martin Luther: “Especially in his work on the Old Testament, Luther considered himself to be only one of a consortium of scholars at work on the project. He was convinced a translator should not work alone, for as he said, ‘the correct and appropriate words do not always occur to one person alone.’”[13] Rather than Luther expressing authoritarian power over the translation or removing books from the Bible by fiat, the facts of history show Luther involved other capable scholars. They worked throughout their lives to translate every book of the Bible, and even those books which “are not held equal to the Scriptures, but are useful and good to read.”
Those who assert Luther took books out of the Bible sometimes wrongly use this sentiment interchangeably with “Luther removed books from the canon.” For an example of such confusion, see the claims of this Catholic apologist here. If indeed Luther took books out of the Bible, then one expects to open Luther’s Bible and find certain books missing. One does not. Catholic apologists that equivocate in such a way should either define their arguments more carefully, or account for the fact that Luther included all the books in his Bible.
LOLOL!
“...why he decided to do that I have no clue...”
Martin Luther chucked 2 Maccabees 12:46 because it references purgatory. He threw out anything that he felt questioned his faith alone (sola fida) error.
The books were then found with the Dead Sea scrolls proving Martin Luther made a grave error in his “editing” of the bible omitting the so called apocrypha.
To know history is to cease to be protestant.
Martin Luther was an improperly formed failed Augustinian monk.
LOLOL! - So do I.
Are FR Catholics swinging wildly back to hating Martin Luther again? Love, hate, love, hate. Must be a full moon or something.
So maybe YOU can or will answer this question.
What else is divinely inspired writing by the Holy Spirit that DIDN'T make it into the Bible that qualifies as Scripture, and is active and living and sharper than any double edged sword, that is able to make one wise unto salvation, that is truth, is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work, that is settled in heaven forever, is sent out by God and does not return to Him empty but accomplished the work for which He sent it out, so that we can believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing we may have life in his name, and which is written so that we can know that we have eternal life?
Truth falls on deaf ears for someone, anyone, who does not WANT to believe it.
Thank you for your patience in persisting to correct the error that is continually being promulgated about Luther.
The fact that people keep persisting in doing so in spite of being shown the truth over and over again, smacks of agenda and has definitely reached the point of being nothing but slander against Luther since it has been clearly demonstrated to be false.
And then they whine about all the *anti's* and *Catholic haters* on FR and whine, *Can't we all just get along*?
Seems that all they want is to be above criticism themselves, while allowing themselves the privilege of slandering others even after repeatedly being shown that they are wrong.
Their complaints about mistreatment ring hollow.
Oh heck - let's read the bible written in ALL caps!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_uncials
"What MUST we do...
"What MUST we do...
This ground is so rocky that NOTHING seems to sink in!
NOW some darned good imagery appears!
(Sure beats typing a thousand words!!)
Data from Yahoo - posted by a yahoo.
(You can’t make this stuff up!)
Well...
I can show you where the 'church' says that the BIBLE don't say ENOUGH.
Would THAT help any??
--CAtholiDude(St. Christopher' if you ain't too busy today; I'm going to be making a short trip...)
I love Jews, too; but I wish that THEY would worry about the REALLY real enemy - SATAN!
I hear ya!!
"What MUST we do...
So?
Considering that the OWNER of this site is a CHRISTIAN; most stuff would tend to be in that direction.
However; he is also a very tolerant man, and makes few requirements of we mouthy posters other than we adhere to a few simple rules of civilized decorum.
Heck; the ENTIRE country started as...
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.
(We even use the Big Book that the above fellow had translated!)
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