Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Absolutely...And what a tragedy...
Our Father in heaven,
And as already said to you,
Even if they were watching this does not teach they are to be prayed to, or are interceding, but here the RC leaps to a conclusion the text does not teach, which is due to the fact that despite the multitude of prayers in Scripture, the Holy Spirit provides absolutely zero examples of any believer praying to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, or in any instructions on who to pray to in Heaven ("our Father who art in Heaven, " not "our mother," etc.), and communication btwn created beings from their respective realms required both being in either earth or heaven.
And yet as it is, Hebrews 12:1 does not necessarily teach that saints are literally watching us anymore than we are to be literally "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith," (Hebrews 12:2) but that in we are surrounded by the examples of faith listed in the previous chapter (11), and "look" unto the Lord of Scripture, the author and finisher of our faith.
I see. Resistance is futile.
Of course you mean your Catholic Church...However, there is not a single bit of evidence for that...We are to believe because your religion claims it??? The Mormons claim the same thing...So that means your religion is tied for first place among those religions who claim to be Christian but don't believe the bible...
That Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is NOT based on the traditions of men -- that is utterly false, no matter how many times you choose to repeat it. The Catholic Church which Jesus Christ built is based on the Holy Teachings of God, given to men.
Those teaching aren't in the scriptures...Where are they??? Who were they given to??? And when???
The Scriptures are very important, but they only contain a small smidgen of what God has done, and what God continues to do.
If you want to put an legitimacy to your claim, show us what God has done outside the scriptures pertaining to your religion...Otherwise, you may as well be blowing bubbles...
John 21:25 explicitly states that Jesus did many other things that were NOT written down, and that all the books in the world would likely not be able to hold all of them.
So what did Jesus tell you guys that he didn't write in the scriptures??? You got anything??? Anything at all???
My point is not what anyone else teaches.
My point is about having all the prayer possible from any realm possible.
The earliest church fathers mostly used words in their writings which match those words found in those later (Protestant) manuscripts will ignoring those of the Catholic religion...What a coincidence, eh??? Kinda like the Dead Sea Scrolls...
The point is that the Church is his vehicle to share the Gospel to the world. The Apostles are who God has chosen to work through.
Their authority stems from Christ - if Christ no longer had authority neither would they. The alternative is also true - remember what Christ said to the centurion? The centurion told Jesus- “command it and it shall be done, just like the centurion commanded his soldiers - Christ would command his disciples. “you tell them Go and it shall be done.”
Rejecting the authority of the Apostles is rejecting Christ’s authority.
“here the RC leaps to a conclusion the text does not teach, which is due to the fact that despite the multitude of prayers in Scripture, the Holy Spirit provides absolutely zero examples of any believer praying to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, or in any instructions on who to pray to in Heaven (”our Father who art in Heaven, “ not “our mother,” etc.), and communication btwn created beings from their respective realms required both being in either earth or heaven”
Again - Jesus himself was challenged by the Pharisees who asked this exact question. “You are only 30 and yet you have seen Abraham?”, and Jesus’s reply - “Before Abraham was I am.”
Jesus himself claimed a direction connection with God but here he affirms that Abraham was not dead - he was alive.
The KJV is based on the Masoretic text. Which dates about 700 years after Nicaea.
The RCC on the other hand, uses Codex Vaticanus as the primary source text.
The book has not always existed. The Church is older than the Bible. If one is not saved through the Church - than the Bible cannot save anyone. The bible derives it’s authority from the Church not the other way around.
“the cultic practice”
What evidence do you have for a cultic origin to the Communion of Saints?
“That saints are alive is a separate issue from whether they can hear you”
No, it’s not. It’s all part of the same doctrine. You should examine the doctrine first before attacking it’s origins.
I do expect the theologically obtuse among you to misunderstand and / or say something completely stupid.
Ready go.....
I see you started first...
Did God teach you that??? Or are you using your uncommon common sense???
So God is still back at Creation creating the earth...And God is opening the Red Sea Right now...And God is sitting on his Throne in the New Jerusalem that he hasn't built yet...
And the Holy Spirit is overcoming the virgin Mary, right now...
That's it, isn't it...You have to somehow justify your 'Mass' where Jesus is dying, every day of the week all over the world...
You guys try to push this fable on each other and us that claims Jesus is being Crucified on the Cross, right now...It never ended...It's happening right now...
Funny you guys didn't focus on the end of the Crucifixion where Jesus is being raised...Jesus is being raised right now...
So Jesus is being raised right now, Jesus is being Crucified right now and Jesus is being conceived right now...
You keep your fables, we'll stick with what God actually told us in his scriptures...
1Co_2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
While I understand that you are going through very rough time, be sure you do not sin in your anguish.
Jesus taught us how to pray--He never encouraged or suggested we pray to, or communicate with, people who have physically died.
I didn’t think that vatican.va or ex cathedra proclamations from popes would be good enough for some Catholics.
Thanks for proving that.
Is that the official RCC position?
The heck with that. I'll wear the rejection of the Catholic church like a badge of honor because I am accepted by God in the Beloved and I don't need the approval of man, especially those who reject God's word.
COURTESY PING TO CB, which was AGAIN ignored.
Doesn’t the Catholic church teach common courtesy to its members any more?
I belong to Jesus and am part of the body of Christ. I AM the church.
Denominations don’t save so belonging to one is meaningless.
And you still haven’t answered MY questions of what possible difference is it to you. Why you want to know and how my church affiliation is possibly relevant to my salvation.
The interesting thing is there is no indication that they ever got that interpretation from Peter the Apostle...Peter taught against that nonsense...
Peter Magus on the other hand is another story altogether...
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