What about Polygamy in the Bible????
Could it be that Abraham, Isaac?, Jacob as well as King David and Solomon, all ancestors of Jesus Christ himself ...
could be EVIL Polygamists?
Sorry Honey, if you have a problem with Mormons that practiced polygamy 125 years ago ..... you also have a problem with God sanctioned polygamy in the Bible.
Keep up the Smears, Innuendo, Distortions and Fabrications .... no one does it better than you!
“Sorry Honey, if you have a problem with Mormons that practiced polygamy 125 years ago ..... you also have a problem with God sanctioned polygamy in the Bible.”
Except, that it wasn’t sanctioned. It was permitted for the hardness of their hearts, like divorce, but it wasn’t what God intended.
Mat_19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
If polygamy was sanctioned, then you wouldn’t be an adulterer to divorce your wife and marry someone else, per Christ:
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
What about it tepee? Did God command them to practice polygamy in order to entitle them to attain the CK? Better yet, what did Jesus say? He said one man - one wife and to marry another while the first is still living is adultery. Further, you will not find God ordering them to marry a woman who is already married to her still living husband. Or God ordering them to marry a mother and her daughter.
No smears or innuendo tepee - just simple facts that you conveniently ignore and try to sweep under the rug.
Hi teppe,
You wrote, “Keep up the Smears, Innuendo, Distortions and Fabrications .... no one does it better than you!”
I’m not sure what was said that was a smear? Would you please point one out?
I’m not sure what was said that was a innuendo? Would you please point one out?
I’m not sure what was said that was a distortion? Would you please point one out?
I’m not sure what was said that was a fabrication? Would you please point one out?
Did you really identify ANY of these things, or by using those words, did you intend to smear, use innuendo, distort or fabricate things to malign a FReeper’s character?
I've been over this ground before with you -- at least 2-3 times.
Therefore, I will respond on the basis of "ALL"
All, Teppe thinks that just because his "D&C" scriptures mentions Isaac as a polygamist, that he was one...Yet the Bible says NOTHING at all about Isaac having more than a single wife!
Jacob became a polygamist because his father-in-law pulled one over on him; so he thinks what was introduced via deception is A-OK!
And as for Abraham, NOBODY called his wife's servant girl his "wife" except for his wife...before she slept with him.
For all we know that may have been one night; one week; one month.
Even his wife then referenced her as a "slave"...post pregnancy.
The angel of the Lord, post pregnancy, referenced her as the wife's servant...Abraham did, too...so did Moses...so did the apostle Paul in Galatians 4.
Abraham's NEXT wife came AFTER his first wife died.
Old argument.......get some historical context.......JS may have argued that so he could be the pedophile adulator he was......he was WRONG and so are you
God Almighty NEVER sanctioned marriage beyond ONE man and ONE woman.
Do your sister wives know what you do?
Keep up IGNORING the FACT that you are damned, Damned, DAMNED!!!
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Oh?
THIS what your chosen religious organization has TAUGHT you?
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
Keep up the Smears, Innuendo, Distortions and Fabrications .... no one does it better than you!
If some one wants to Go after what they refer to as false religion there are so many other things that is a lot more clear from the Bible that they could use.
It is my belief that they are not going after false religion at all because that would include their own church, but they are only going after plural marriage which is mostly a non issue.
And also many comments which i have read in prior threads seem to equate plural marriage to gay marriage.
Several comments was against gay marriage because it might lead to plural marriage, which is a way of saying that polygamy is worse that homosexuality.
Making a big to do over plural marriage may be a way of taking peoples attention from gay marriage, which is supporting it.
An other example.
They equate polygamy with gay marriage, so what they are doing is calling many of our Christian founders queers.
Although one man an one woman is probably the ideal, i see nothing that forbids plural marriage.
If they think the Bible forbids plural marriage then they should do every thing they can to get rid of the very Bible they claim to believe in because many of the people who made possible the books which made the Bible possible had more than one wife.
This is part of the reason that i belong to no religion, and probably no religion would have me any way, ha ha.