[maine-iac7]

Would you like to be ‘fair and balanced’ and post the past histories of other churches - like, say, the Catholic Church (especially during the inquisition years, including the infamous “Albigensian Crusade” from which the Pope's infamous line “Kill them all, God will know his own” echoes down the halls of history - the ‘witch burnings’ churches of the 1600’s in America - etc.

http://www.cathar.info/120502_arnaud.htm

Is FR really the place for such prejudiced diatribes? I would hope FR is above such selective hatred?

No?

[HereInTheHeartland]

People here like to have debates with accurate information. Mormons are great people; but the religion they practice is one that is entirely made up by man.

Mormonism doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

You brought out abuses that were practiced by some Christians in the past. Those abuses do not invalidate Christianity. But rather those abuses show why man needs to find and follow the word of God, so those abuses are not repeated.

[ontap]

You notice no reference to the mainstream “Christian “ churches that are recognizing the gay rights agenda. Openly gay congregations. All the vitriol is reserved for Mormons!!!

[ForAmerica]

Or what about Mountain Meadows?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“Would you like to be ‘fair and balanced’ and post the past histories of other churches - like, say, the Catholic Church (especially during the inquisition years, including the infamous “Albigensian Crusade” from which the Pope’s infamous line “Kill them all, God will know his own” echoes down the halls of history - the ‘witch burnings’ churches of the 1600’s in America - etc.”

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What would any of that history have to do with false prophecy from the guy who founded your religion? The scripture is explicit that if a prophecy fails to come to pass, that the man who spoke them is not a Prophet.

Deu_18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

How do you compare people doing bad stuff... to the founder of your religion speaking false prophecy?

[bobo1]

Don’t deal in hatred. Facts are my friend, however.

[ejonesie22]

How exactly is pointing out fact for general consideration the same as witch burning.

Hyperbole much?

Fact Joe Smith is no more a “prophet” than I’m a Pope, ergo anything found via his “vision” is deserving of serious scrutiny. Souls are at stake.

The real hatred would be to do nothing. If my neighbors house is burning down I will point it out.

[Elsie]

Look!

Over THERE!!

Those folks aren’t HATERS!!!!

[Elsie]

Is FR really the place for such prejudiced diatribes? I would hope FR is above such selective hatred?

One man's HATE, is another man's REVELATION.

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

Is FR really the place for such prejudiced diatribes? I would hope FR is above such selective hatred?

We REALLY don't do to good playing defense here.

Try calling us RACISTs next time.

[svcw]

Start you own thread

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