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According to Scripture (Where is sola scriptura itself taught in the Bible?)
Catholic Answers ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 06/22/2013 1:01:24 PM PDT by NYer

"If a teaching isn’t explicit in the Bible, then we don’t accept it as doctrine!" That belief, commonly known as sola scriptura, was a central component of all I believed as a Protestant. This bedrock Protestant teaching claims that Scripture alone is the sole rule of faith and morals for Christians. Diving deeper into its meaning to defend my Protestant faith against Catholicism about twenty years ago, I found that there was no uniform understanding of this teaching among Protestant pastors and no book I could read to get a better understanding of it.

What role does tradition play? How explicit does something have to be in Scripture before it can be called doctrine? Does Scripture tell us what is absolutely essential for us to believe as Christians? How can we determine the canon using sola scriptura? All these questions and more pointed to the central question: Where is sola scriptura itself taught in the Bible?

Most Protestants find it in 2 Timothy 3:16-17:

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

The fact is that this passage (or any other) does not even hint at Scripture being the sole rule of faith. It says that Scripture is inspired and necessary—a rule of faith—but in no way does it teach that Scripture alone is all one needs to determine the truth about faith and morals in the Church. My attempt to defend this bedrock teaching of Protestantism led me to conclude that sola scriptura is unreasonable, unbiblical, and unworkable.

Unreasonable

The Protestant appeal to the sole authority of Scripture to defend sola scriptura is a textbook example of circular reasoning, and it betrays an essential problem with the doctrine itself: It is contrary to reason. One cannot prove the inspiration of Scripture, or any text, from the text itself. The Book of Mormon, the Hindu Vedas, the Qur’an, the writings of Mary Baker Eddy, and other books all claim inspiration, but this does not make them inspired.

Closely related to this is the question of the canon. After all, if the Bible is the sole rule of faith, we first have to know which books are included in the Bible. Many books were believed to be inspired and, therefore, canonical in the early Church. How do we separate the wheat from the chaff? The Protestant must use the principle of sola scriptura to answer the question of the canon. It simply cannot be done.

I recall a conversation with a Protestant friend about this. He said, "The Holy Spirit guided the early Christians and helped them gather the canon of Scripture and declare it to be the inspired word of God, as Jesus said in John 16:13." I thought that that answer was more Catholic than Protestant. John 16:13 does tells us that the Spirit will lead the apostles, and by extension, the Church, into truth. But it has nothing to say about sola scriptura or the nature or number of books in the canon.

The Bible does not and cannot answer questions about its own inspiration or about the canon. Historically, the Church used sacred Tradition outside of Scripture as its criterion for the canon. The early Christians, many of whom disagreed on the issue, needed the Church in council to give an authoritative decree to settle the question. Those are the historical facts.

To put my friend’s argument into perspective, imagine a Catholic making a similar claim to demonstrate that Mary is the Mother of God. "We believe the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth and guided the early Christians to declare this truth." Would the Protestant respond with a hearty amen? No. He would be more likely to say, "Show me where it says in the Bible that Mary is the Mother of God!" The same question, of course, applies to Protestants concerning the canon: "Show me where the canon of Scripture is in the Bible!"

Will the Circle Be Unbroken?

The issues of the inspiration and canon of Scripture are the Achilles heel of any intellectual defense of sola scriptura. So weak are the biblical attempts at an answer that often the Protestant response just turns the argument against the Catholic. "How do you know Scripture is inspired? Your reasoning is just as circular. You say the Church is infallible because the inspired Scripture says so, then you say that Scripture is inspired and infallible because the Church says so!"

Not only is this not an answer, but it also misrepresents the Catholic position. Catholics do not claim the Church is infallible because Scripture says so. The Church is infallible because Jesus said so. The Church was established and functioning as the infallible spokesperson for the Lord decades before the New Testament was written.

It is true that we know Scripture to be inspired and canonical only because the Church has told us so. That is historical fact. Catholics reason to inspiration of Scripture through demonstrating first its historical reliability and the truth about Christ and the Church. Then we can reasonably rely upon the testimony of the Church to tell us the text is inspired. This is not circular reasoning. The New Testament is the most accurate and verifiable historical document in all of ancient history, but one cannot deduce from this that it is inspired.

The testimony of the New Testament is backed up by hundreds of works by early Christian and non-Christian writers. We have the first-century testimonies of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the Church Fathers—some of whom were contemporaries of the apostles—and highly reliable non-Christian writers such as Suetonius, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, and others, all testifying to the veracity of the Christ-event in various ways. It is on the basis of the historical evidence that we can say it is a historical fact that Jesus lived, died and was reported to be resurrected from the dead by over 500 eyewitnesses (1 Cor. 15:6). Many of these eyewitnesses went to their deaths testifying to the truth of the Resurrection of Christ (Luke 1:1-4; John 21:18-19; 24-25; Acts 1:1-11).

The historical record also tells us that Jesus Christ established a Church—not a book—to be the foundation of the Christian faith (Matt. 16:15-18; 18:15-18; cf. Eph. 2:20; 3:10, 20-21; 4:11-15; 1 Tim. 3:15; Heb. 13:7, 17). Christ said of his Church, "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me" (Luke 10:16).

The many books that comprise the Bible never tell us that they are inspired, nor do they answer many other essential questions about their canonicity. Who can or cannot be the human authors of the texts? Who wrote them in the first place? But Scripture does tell us—remarkably clearly—that Jesus established a kingdom on earth, the Church, with a hierarchy and the authority to speak for him (Luke 20:29-32; Matt. 10:40; 28:18-20). If we did not have Scripture, we would still have the Church. But without the Church, there would be no New Testament Scripture. It was members of this kingdom, the Church, who wrote Scripture, preserved its many texts, and eventually canonized it. Scripture alone could not do any of this.

The bottom line is that the truth of the Catholic Church is rooted in history. Jesus Christ is a historical person who gave his authority to his Church to teach, govern, and sanctify in his place. His Church gave us the New Testament with the authority of Christ. Reason rejects sola scriptura as a self-refuting principle.

Unbiblical

There are four problems with the defense of sola scriptura using 2 Timothy 3:16. First, it does not speak of the New Testament at all. The two verses preceding 2 Timothy 3:16 say:

But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

This passage does not refer to the New Testament. In fact, none of the New Testament books had been written when Timothy was a child. Claiming this verse as authentication for a book that had not been written yet goes far beyond what the text claims.

Second, 2 Timothy 3:16 does not claim Scripture to be the sole rule of faith for Christians. As a Protestant, I was guilty of seeing more than one sola in Scripture that simply did not exist. The Bible teaches justification by faith, and we Catholics believe it, but we do not believe in justification by faith alone, as Protestants do. Among other reasons, the Bible says that we are "justified by works and not by faith alone" (Jas. 2:24). There is no sola in 2 Timothy 3:16 either. The passage never claims Scripture to be the sole rule of faith.

James 1:4 illustrates the problem:

And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

If we apply the same principle of exegesis to this text that the Protestant does to 2 Timothy 3:16, then we would have to say that all we need is patience (steadfastness) to be perfected. We don’t need faith, hope, charity, the Church, baptism, or anything else.

Of course, any Christian knows this would be absurd. But James’s emphasis on the central importance of patience is even stronger than Paul’s emphasis on Scripture. The key is to see that there is not a sola in either text. Sola patientia would be just as wrong as sola scriptura.

Third, the Bible teaches that oral Tradition is equal to Scripture. It is silent when it comes to sola scriptura, but it is remarkably clear in teaching that oral Tradition is just as much the word of God as Scripture is. In what most scholars believe was the first book written in the New Testament, Paul said:

And we also thank God . . . that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God. (1 Thess. 2:13)

According to Paul, the spoken words of the apostles were the word of God. In fact, when Paul wrote his second letter to the Thessalonians, he urged Christians there to receive the oral and written Traditions as equally authoritative. This would be expected because both are the word of God:

So, then, brethren stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. (2 Thess. 2:15)

Finally, 2 Timothy 3:16 is specifically addressed to members of the hierarchy. It is a pastoral epistle, written to a young bishop Paul had ordained. R. J. Foster points out that the phrase "man of God" refers to ministers, not to the average layperson (A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture, Thomas Nelson and Sons, 1149). This title was used in the Old Testament to describe those consecrated to the service of God (Deut. 33:1; 1 Sam. 2:27; 1 Kgs. 12:22). Not only does the text not say Scripture sola, but Paul’s exhortation for Timothy to study the word of God is in the context of an exhortation to "preach the word" as a minister of Christ. To use this text to claim that sola scriptura is being taught to the average layperson is—to borrow a phrase from Paul—going far "beyond what is written" (1 Cor. 4:6).

Unworkable

The silence of Scripture on sola scriptura is deafening. But when it comes to the true authority of Scripture and Tradition and to the teaching and governing authority of the Church, the text is clear:

If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. . . . But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you. . . . If he refuses to listen . . . tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Matt. 18:15-17)

According to Scripture, the Church is the final court of appeal for the people of God in matters of faith, morals, and discipline. It is telling that since the Reformation of almost 500 years ago—a Reformation claiming sola scriptura as its formal principle—there are now over 33,000 Protestant denominations. In John 10:16, Jesus prophesied there would be "one flock, one shepherd." Reliance on sola scriptura has not been effective in establishing doctrine or authority.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; itisnt; scripture; solascriptura; tradition
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To: Salvation; Greetings_Puny_Humans
There is no copyright issue to be examined when quoting ancient texts. A simple reference is adequate, e.g. Didache.

Many translations of the Bible are ancient so it is not necessary to cite those sources, e.g. King James, Douay-Rheims. However, if the translation is recent and copyright protected it must be sourced, e.g. The Message.

CCEL is a good online source for those wanting to see excerpts of ancient texts in context, e.g. the excerpt being questioned.

141 posted on 06/23/2013 6:22:10 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: NYer
“If I understand your question correctly, you are asking how do we determine what constitutes authentic tradition. How can we know which traditions are apostolic and which are merely human?”

Not precisely my question but worthy ones to be sure. No, as you said, “These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different.”....

If the the two, apostolic tradition and teachings in Scripture,”...largely (perhaps entirely) overlap”, then I should be able to read the Scriptures to find the apostolic traditions that were taught orally. Furthermore these sacred traditions then would NOT comprise a separate body of ideas contradictory to Scripture, but would be a sort of oral Scripture, which leads to:

“Secondly, “Tradition” does not refer to legends or mythological accounts, nor does it encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rubrics”

This narrows down the definition and role of “Tradition” in Christian teachings but raises then the question of doctrine or teaching supported only by what “Tradition” is not, i.e., “....legends or mythological accounts, nor does it encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rubrics”.

The authors statement that “oral Tradition” and written Scripture stand with equal authority then is pointless if the two are essentially the same except for mode of transmission. It would seem he sees them as quite separate things.

“First of all, remember that Paul was not one of the twelve apostles; he received the teaching of Christ orally. Hence, everything he passed on was already oral tradition.”

But if the following as stated earlier is so then oral or written would make no difference:

“Sacred or apostolic tradition consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different.”

Paul, though not one of the twelve, did receive his apostolic authority from Christ as they did.

“Some of what Paul taught is recorded in Scripture.”

If only “some”, then do we have any way of knowing what he taught that is NOT “recorded in Scripture”?
Or is all that IS “recorded in Scripture” of Paul's teaching sufficient to say that any oral teachings, “oral tradition”, would not alter in any way Paul's inspired writings?

As you wrote, “These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different.”....

Then “these teachings”, oral tradition in the restricted sense you earlier gave, are available to all in written Scripture.
How then can anyone say that the Scriptures with it's written down oral traditions, is not a sufficient guide to Christian belief and practice?

“They have been handed down and entrusted to the Church. It is necessary that Christians believe in and follow this tradition as well as the Bible (Luke 10:16).”

142 posted on 06/23/2013 6:54:42 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: piusv

I didn’t see your answers, maybe I overlooked them, but in any event, throw away lines of assertion and assumption are not answers to anything.

You are free to have a go at those questions too! There’s still plenty of space for your comments.


143 posted on 06/23/2013 7:09:58 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: metmom
?The errors in theology abound in that post.

Only to the dull and ignorant.

Did you read what you wrote before you posted it?

144 posted on 06/23/2013 7:28:24 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: NYer

Those questions have been answered thousands of times, in myriad ways. Pretending they have not is just that -—pretense.


145 posted on 06/23/2013 7:32:45 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: piusv
A few words about these religious forums (please no Latin corrections)and the posts:

I assume the good intentions and sincerely of the posters, perhaps wrongly at times, and that relieves me of any need to engage in personal tit-for-tat and ill feelings.
So disagreement with I say is not a cause to me for hurt feeling or taking offence.

But I do enjoy the give and take of debate in its best form. Eye gouging in the name of removing a splinter is not debate, it's just eye gouging.

Hopefully we can continue to objectively debate here. Cheers!

146 posted on 06/23/2013 7:38:56 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Salvation
Read the Early Church Fathers who were around when Jesus was there and when the Mass started.

READ PAUL who God used and HE NEVER met JESUS as He was already RISEN - and there was no mass.

Keep counterfeit teaching where it came from - the pit behind the closed doors of the vatican.

147 posted on 06/23/2013 7:44:46 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Salvation
Because it is not entirely true? Here the difference between focus of "founding" the church on flesh & blood human beings, and it being founded upon Himself, and his own powers to give revelation of Himself to human beings. The Lord Himself stated that the scriptures could not be broken. Those bear testimony of Him. No new revelation can overturn that which has been set in scripture. If anything not comport well with the Word --- then see such and know it for what it is. Possibly useful, possibly not. Possibly needing to go into the garbage can, like sin itself.
148 posted on 06/23/2013 7:46:14 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: boatbums

Precisely. Though I guess there can be good come of it...at times I do wonder if such continual DAILY set-ups coming from a handful, shouldn't lead to zot city for sake of pattern & practice of repetitive contentiousness.

Even if one took the time and effort to pluck apart the strawman constructions, unravel the errors, carefully applying truth where it need rightfully be -- then what? The "attack" begins. Tear down the freeper who dares...or just ignore it all, claiming it's too long of a reply/comment, but run 'round pushing the same specious questions under other noses, instead.

149 posted on 06/23/2013 7:57:57 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: metmom

I have been taught that Christ is the cornerstone of the church, and that the prophets and apostles are the foundation built into that cornerstone. (Using, of course the “building” metaphor.)


150 posted on 06/23/2013 8:00:56 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: NYer
>>The compilation of scrolls that comprise one physical book (OT and NT), did not exist in 325 AD.<<

And that is in response to my original question which was “Didn’t they read the scriptures?”. Christ often said “it is written”. Paul commended the Bereans because they “searched the scriptures daily”. Now you try to infer that they didn’t have “scripture” until after the “Catholics” somehow decided what they were! It’s simply astounding that anyone takes the RCC or any of its followers seriously.

151 posted on 06/23/2013 9:49:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer; count-your-change; Greetings_Puny_Humans; metmom
>>He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter"<<

So if someone quotes scripture to you (by word of mouth) or you read it from scripture it’s different teaching then is contained in scripture? Can you prove that what they taught by word was different than if the people had read it in scripture? You would need to prove that if your contention that “oral teaching” is teaching something that isn’t in or isn’t backed up by scripture. Now if you can’t prove that is what he was saying then what you content is just “traditions of men”.

152 posted on 06/23/2013 10:00:24 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: BlueDragon

Christ did found the Catholic Church on himself. But he knew he was going to ascend to the Father, so he breathed the Holy Spirit upon the apostles and gave them the ability to forgive sins. And then he founded his Church on Peter, the Rock.

Yes, Peter denied him three times, but he also professed his faith in Christ three times.

Christ’s response?

Feed my sheep.
Tend my lambs
Feed my sheep

Certainly reads straight from the Bible that Christ passed on his authority to the Apostles.

Sorry you don’t believe these passags from the Bible.


153 posted on 06/23/2013 10:04:16 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: presently no screen name

I’ll read the Gospels from people who met and walked with Jesus first. Paul came later.


154 posted on 06/23/2013 10:05:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; metmom
>>There was a lot of teaching person to person. Even Paul talks about it.<<

Please show proof that what they taught “person to person” was different or not contained in the written word.

155 posted on 06/23/2013 10:12:06 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: verga
>>ain't now way this mothers son is going to be perfect enough for heaven with out a bit of dusting off.<<

It’s truly sad that you haven’t “put on Christ”.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

That means that the Father sees Christ when He looks at us, not our old sinful nature. That’s why we are able to approach the throne of God in prayer at all.

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (Philippians 3:9 AV)

Now if each of us who truly have accepted Jesus as our savior possess the righteousness of Christ would you please tell me who has more righteousness then Christ?

Perhaps it’s time accept Christ alone as your savior and rely on His righteousness and perfection rather than your own.

156 posted on 06/23/2013 10:32:05 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: verga

Do you not understand the difference in before and after Christ’s death and resurrection? Do you not realize what the rending of the veil meant? Before Christ’s perfect and final sacrifice no one could go before the Father in heaven. Thus the need for Hades or the holding place for those who were faithful prior to Christ’s death who would later be “set free” by Christ. To claim the need for that holding place or “purgatory” as the Catholics refer to it is to deny the all sufficiency of Christ’s death and resurrection.


157 posted on 06/23/2013 10:39:57 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Salvation

I believe in them, just not as how you and some others present them to be, then proceed from there carrying implication to extent and ends contrary to much else which is plainly enough written.

Newman lost count of the "acorns". But then again the Lord never likened himself to a tree, but instead a vine, with his disciples (not alone capital 'A' Apostles) be the branches.

158 posted on 06/23/2013 10:46:59 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Salvation

Paul didn't "come later" as being instructed by others, or was much subservient to them either, beyond the called for submitting oneself, one unto the other.

And who would that be? Peter himself wrote no "Gospels" but instead a pair of epistles.

If by reading from people who met and walked with Jesus first, that still includes Paul, for it has long been accepted that Paul, in a quite powerful encounter, "met" directly with the Lord, with Christ there being also at the right hand of the Father at the same time (in a manner of speaking).

What then did Paul tell us that he did? He did not go and fling himself prostrate before Peter and the other Apostles, now did he?

159 posted on 06/23/2013 11:02:59 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: metmom

**Besides, Jesus will not tolerate it. He didn’t in Revelation when He chastised the seven churches there and how many of them are in existence today?**

All seven. The same seven Spirits of God are still in the world today. God told Moses to make the tabernacle according to the pattern he was shown on the mountain. He didn’t tell Moses to put out one candle after an hour or so, then another after another hour or so, etc. He was told to light all seven of them, and keep them burning continually (or at least continually from evening until morning. Lev. 24:2-4). You can find examples of each of those churches in countless places around the globe. Each still has the same requirement: “he that overcometh...”.


160 posted on 06/23/2013 11:09:19 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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