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To: JCBreckenridge
"Galileo went beyond that - asserting that where scripture and his teaching contradicted his teaching took precedence."

Is that what you were taught? He knew better than to openly cross the tyrannical Church I don't care if he thought the moon was made of green cheese. What gave your Church the right to imprison an old man in poor health?? Who do they think they are? Is this the Spirit of Christ? Did Jesus preach imprisonment of those who didn't believe a certain way? Heliocentrism is a FACT and it don't take no Rocket Scientist to know that.

203 posted on 05/31/2013 5:41:32 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I have sexdaily. Oops, I meant dyslexia.)
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To: BipolarBob

(Galileo) Tortured for His Beliefs? (absolutely NOT)

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy

In the end, Galileo recanted his heliocentric teachings, but it was not—as is commonly supposed—under torture nor after a harsh imprison- ment. Galileo was, in fact, treated surprisingly well.

As historian Giorgio de Santillana, who is not overly fond of the Catholic Church, noted, “We must, if anything, admire the cautiousness and legal scruples of the Roman authorities.” Galileo was offered every convenience possible to make his imprisonment in his home bearable.

Galileo’s friend Nicolini, Tuscan ambassador to the Vatican, sent regular reports to the court regarding affairs in Rome. Many of his letters dealt with the ongoing controversy surrounding Galileo.

Nicolini revealed the circumstances surrounding Galileo’s “imprisonment” when he reported to the Tuscan king: “The pope told me that he had shown Galileo a favor never accorded to another” (letter dated Feb. 13, 1633); “ . . . he has a servant and every convenience” (letter, April 16); and “[i]n regard to the person of Galileo, he ought to be imprisoned for some time because he disobeyed the orders of 1616, but the pope says that after the publication of the sentence he will consider with me as to what can be done to afflict him as little as possible” (letter, June 18).

Had Galileo been tortured, Nicolini would have reported it to his king. While instruments of torture may have been present during Galileo’s recantation (this was the custom of the legal system in Europe at that time), they definitely were not used.

The records demonstrate that Galileo could not be tortured because of regulations laid down in The Directory for Inquisitors (Nicholas Eymeric, 1595). This was the official guide of the Holy Office, the Church office charged with dealing with such matters, and was followed to the letter.

As noted scientist and philosopher Alfred North Whitehead remarked, in an age that saw a large number of “witches” subjected to torture and execution by Protestants in New England, “the worst that happened to the men of science was that Galileo suffered an honorable detention and a mild reproof.” Even so, the Catholic Church today acknowledges that Galileo’s condemnation was wrong. The Vatican has even issued two stamps of Galileo as an expression of regret for his mistreatment.


214 posted on 05/31/2013 6:04:04 PM PDT by batmast (God Bless...)
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To: BipolarBob

“Is that what you were taught?”

I have read what Galileo wrote. And yes, this is exactly what he wrote and claimed and why he got in trouble in the first place.

“What gave your Church the right to imprison an old man in poor health??”

Does it matter his health and his condition?

“Who do they think they are?”

We believe we are responsible for the spiritual welfare of our charges.

“Heliocentrism is a FACT and it don’t take no Rocket Scientist to know that.”

Do you believe that empirical observations constrain spiritual considerations?


222 posted on 05/31/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: BipolarBob
He knew better than to openly cross the tyrannical(sic) Church

But he crossed the Church any way. What does that say about Galileo? Hot tempered? Arrogant? Insolent? Impudent? Immature? Egomaniacal?

“You cannot help it, Signor Sarsi, that it was granted to me alone to discover all the new phenomena in the sky and nothing to anybody else. This is the truth which neither malice nor envy can suppress.” Galileo Galilei, "The Assayer"

What gave your Church the right to imprison an old man in poor health??

"Imprisoned" in Galileo's own villa in Arcetri with a lifetime pension. He agreed to abide by the results of the trial which was a result of his reneging on the agreement he freely made in 1616. He also breached his agreement with his supporter Pope Urban VIII. Rational people would concur that Galileo got exactly what he asked for. That was a far better sentence than the one Kepler would have received if the protestants at Tubingen had caught him.

Did Jesus preach imprisonment of those who didn't believe a certain way?

Indeed He did, re: eternal imprisonment.

Heliocentrism is a FACT and it don't take no Rocket Scientist to know that.

Tell that to Aristotle, Luther, Melanchthon and Calvin and the faculty at Tubingen if you ever meet them. By the way, Galileo was asserting the geocentrism was a fact in 1606 in Trattato della Sfera.

“There can never, indeed, be any real discrepancy between the theologian and the physicist, as long as each confines himself within his own lines, and both are careful, as St. Augustine warns us, ‘not to make rash assertions, or to assert what is not known as known.’” Pope Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus

244 posted on 05/31/2013 6:47:15 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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