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To: Natural Law; metmom; daniel1212; BlueDragon; Gamecock; HarleyD
....Jesus became human only through Mary's complete cooperation. Jesus received his body and blood exclusively from Mary and Her womb was the Tabernacle for 9 months. No Mary, no Blood. You owe Her much more than you care to admit....

What did Mary actually "do" besides agree to not have an abortion for nine months? Don't we owe Joseph, a sinful man, even more for (supposedly) agreeing to keep Mary a "Perpetual Virgin" for at least thirty-four years (unless you want to argue for the "sudden death virgin" as some have)? And what about Mary's parents? What do we owe them for Mary's "Immaculate Conception", since that took nine months to cook up as well?Don't we owe every mother in the gospels' genealogies something, for teaching their daughters how to be obedient (a tradition which surely was handed down to Mary)? Have you considered arguing that we owe everything to Eve, who started the process by raising Abel and Seth in the right way?

But most of all, why do we owe these people anything, any different from the honor that is due to God? Is Mary keeping score, apart from God? To paraphrase how a Catholic FReeper expressed it last month, "Jesus may forgive you, but don't make his mother angry"? Are you actually arguing that (some) departed souls become both omniscient and omnipresent in Heaven?

Catholics have not spoken in contradiction to my post because it is right.

By "Catholics", do you mean all of them? A super-majority? Does a quorum of lay Catholics have the authority to even make that kind of pronouncement? I wouldn't discount the possibility that they're all busy with suppressing their laughter to post anything, contradictory or not. We really can't conclude anything until all Catholics of them have collectively spoken on your behalf.

1,533 posted on 06/10/2013 11:46:17 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
Hello Catholic Answers family! By "Catholics", do you mean all of them?

Interesting question. I went to the internet and found a site called Catholic Answers which claims to Explain and Defend The Faith.

There is a thread that poses this very question:

On Jun 18, '04, at 6:46 am Gene Z. asked This might seem like an obvious question, but it has been something I have pondered here recently. I have heard it said that Jesus received his body and blood from his Mother Mary. However, if the blood saves, then how can Jesus have obtained his blood from His Mother since that would not be salvific because she was not divine but human.

Thanks for your time. May God continue to bless Catholic Answers' ministry.

The only answer was provided by Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.:

Even though Jesus received all this genetic inheritance from His mother, He did not receive His blood from her. The baby in the womb is completely separate from the mother. Often the child will have an entirely different blood type from the mother. His blood was solely His.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

So here is one ordained member of the Roman Catholic religion saying no.

I suppose those in the R.C. religion who insist otherwise are being their own Pope.

1,534 posted on 06/10/2013 12:18:16 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: Alex Murphy
"What did Mary actually "do" besides agree to not have an abortion for nine months?"

If there was anything in your posting history to suggest that you actually wanted and answer I would accommodate you. I do not care to play word games with you again. Know this, if the greatest minds of the Reformation in over 500 hundred years could not disprove the Church's teaching on Mary, what possible chance do you have in a few posts?

Peace be with you

1,537 posted on 06/10/2013 12:32:10 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Imaginary quorum? a bit reliant upon a re-wording, a trotting of the goalposts towards some shadily differing position, shifting focus away from what was originally in contention?

Why, yes! I thought you'd never ask.

1,764 posted on 06/11/2013 1:54:15 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Jewish Indians, lost tablets, you know the drill)
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