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To: JCBreckenridge
"Where in the bible does it lead you to believe that what the Church teaches is false?"

Nowhere. Now as to the definition of Church, we would have a divergence in thought. Mine would be more etheral whereas you think of the worldly manmade institution you call the Catholic Church. Tell me, did your Church really put Galileo under house arrest and threaten him for asserting the world was round rather than flat as your Church officials taught?

153 posted on 05/31/2013 5:01:00 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I have sexdaily. Oops, I meant dyslexia.)
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To: BipolarBob

“Nowhere. Now as to the definition of Church, we would have a divergence in thought. Mine would be more etheral whereas you think of the worldly manmade institution you call the Catholic Church. Tell me, did your Church really put Galileo under house arrest and threaten him for asserting the world was round rather than flat as your Church officials taught?”

Well, seeing as I studied Rocket Science...

There’s a couple problems with this statement.

1. Galileo never asserted that the earth was round. Eratosthenes did, when he measured the circumference of the earth before the time of Ptolemy and the Algamest. Simple observance of the moon and the Sun would lead one to believe that roundness was also applicable to the Earth.

2. Galileo’s actual assertions challenged the platonic notion of the impermeability of the spheres - that the heavens were not fixed - that the did change. He defended this observation based on his observations of the Moon via telescope.

You can find this notion in Copernicus’s, De Revolutionibis.

3. Why was Galileo placed under House Arrest?

The conflict had to do with Galileo’s assertion that his observations were not simply materially true, but were true for how things were in the spiritual realm. In essence, Galileo asserted that where his observations and the bible conflicted, that his observations should take precedence. His argument in essence is materialism, and he did not advocate the later division between the material and spiritual world as advocated by Descartes.

So, not only are you grossly ignorant about the Church, you are grossly ignorant about Galileo, about what he claimed, about the nature of the dispute with the church.

I’m not sure there’s even one thing correct in your post.

Why


168 posted on 05/31/2013 5:10:28 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: BipolarBob
Tell me, did your Church really put Galileo under house arrest and threaten him for asserting the world was round rather than flat as your Church officials taught?

Not as you would have us believe. You're parroting an urban legend which is your modus operandi. You must be a masochist since you enjoy exposing your lack of intelligence on a regular basis.

Do you know that the Catholic Priest Copernicus; whom Luther called a madman, was teaching heliocentric theory 21 years prior to the birth of Galileo? Of course you don't. You probably also don't know that the protestant faculty at Tubingen unanimously condemned Johannes Kepler as a heretic for teaching heliocentrism. You probably also don't know that Kepler had to flee his country and was given refuge by the Jesuits. You probably also don't know that Pope Clement VIII himself gave Kepler a position in a Catholic university teaching astronomy.

If only you knew what you don't know.

212 posted on 05/31/2013 5:58:46 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: BipolarBob; JCBreckenridge

“Tell me, did your Church really put Galileo under house arrest and threaten him for asserting the world was round rather than flat as your Church officials taught? “

Well points for mentioning the word “Galileo” but they are offset by being completely wrong about what Galileo taught and what the nature of the dispute was. It was the Church that agreed with Columbus the earth was round in the 1400’s but told him he as wrong about its size, and the Church was far closer to the truth than Columbus. It was a priest, confessor of Isabella that got Columbus his audience with the queen and his opportunity to explore. St. Bede in the 600’s is plainly describing the round earth and far more.


246 posted on 05/31/2013 6:49:20 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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