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To: metmom
This is what it means....

That is a part of it, not the whole thing. The OSAS crowd assumes that is particularly about them.

What do you think comes from the belief that one cannot lose one’s salvation no matter what he does? You have seen as much as I have here and elsewhere from individuals who essentially feel free to do what they want whenever they want to, to the extent that they want to, simply because they believe themselves saved.

Oh yeah? Post numbers please.......

On the contrary, anyone who really thinks that way is not saved because nobody who is saved will take that salvation so lightly. It's not fire insurance or a get out of hell free card.

Are you kidding. Look at your own posts. How many times have you posted that you are saved and that exactly nobody and nothing can stop your own personal salvation. I have no idea of what you truly believe, so I can only go on your actual postings.

Let me ask you this a little more formally: do you believe that you are saved and that exactly nobody and nothing (not even God) can change that?

1,052 posted on 06/03/2013 2:30:13 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear
Are you kidding. Look at your own posts. How many times have you posted that you are saved and that exactly nobody and nothing can stop your own personal salvation. I have no idea of what you truly believe, so I can only go on your actual postings.

That is not saying that I therefore have a license to sin.

Being sure of one's salvation because it is sealed by the Holy Spirit, is not the same as those people who treat it as a get out of hell free card.

Did you not read the verses I posted?

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?

Romans 6:12-16 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Being sure of one's salvation is not a license to sin and anyone who thinks so is most probably not saved.

When you are saved and have had a change of heart and realize what you have been saved from, you don't want to sin.You want to live a pure and holy life that would bring honor and glory to God for the work He has done in you out of gratitude for what He has done in you.

Do we sin? Sure. Everyone does. We still have this body of flesh that is weak. There's that conflict in us between the old and new nature (ala Romans 7) but we're still saved and the conflict, much as we hate it, is a good sign because someone who is not saved does not have that conflict in them.

God looks on the heart, not the outward appearance. He knows our frame and remembers that we are dust.

He's a loving heavenly Father who is loving and gracious and merciful when we slip up, willing to forgive us and not condemn us for not being perfect.

No one with any kind of inkling of that is going to sin without reservation and flaunt it and trample the blood of Jesus underfoot.

1,081 posted on 06/03/2013 8:08:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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