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WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH
Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer

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To: metmom
"Excuses, excuses......."

It is cannot be an excuse. I am neither asking to be forgiven or seeking to remove blame. It was an elucidation. Were the plain words of Scripture not so plain when they support the Church?

Peace be with you.

1,121 posted on 06/04/2013 11:08:20 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom
"So then we can conclude that the magisterium isn't being led by the Holy Spirit after all."

Absolutely not. The Holy Spirit (the Paraclete) guides today exactly like it did in Acts 15.

Peace be to you

1,122 posted on 06/04/2013 11:10:42 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom
"Now if you can provide some Scripture to show that sin entered the world through the woman, that she is responsible, then by all means, post it."

Eve was not named until after the fall (Genesis 3:20) at which Adam claimed dominion over her. Adam and Eve were of one flesh (Genesis 2:24) so the sin was shared equally. Just as it is a linguist convention to refer to all of humanity as man or mankind so was it when St. Paul was humanity that caused sin to enter the world. Were this not so death would not have spread to women, but only to all men (Romans 5:12).

Peace be with you.

1,123 posted on 06/04/2013 11:24:06 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: MeganC

That was an excellent and well reasoned response.


1,124 posted on 06/04/2013 11:35:40 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Try the new improved YOPIOS, now guided by the Holy Spirit. Heb. 8:10)
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To: Natural Law
In faith I am content to let Him judge me.

Golly!

That is SWELL!

1,125 posted on 06/04/2013 1:05:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
You should be mad at the fathers of the reformation who duped you, not me or the Church for holding fast to the teachings of the Apostles.

O...
K...



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

1,126 posted on 06/04/2013 1:07:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
We are making progress.

WHAT!!??


PROGRESS??


Why??

Shouldn't your church be the SAME as it was when JESUS started it?

Why are you 'progressing'?

1,127 posted on 06/04/2013 1:09:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Nowhere do we find this assertion, except however, from you.

Sigh...

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man...

1,128 posted on 06/04/2013 1:11:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bkaycee
To that might be added the Gnostic legends of Joseph being 90 years of age when he wed Mary, that he had grown children by his first wife, that Mary was 12-14 years of age when she wed Joseph.

From such fraudulent foundations are built the doctrines of the assumption of Mary, her sinlessness, her having just one child. False history, false gospel, false doctrine.

1,129 posted on 06/04/2013 1:11:56 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Natural Law
Were the plain words of Scripture not so plain when they support the Church?


Are the convoluted words of the Church not so plain when they twist the plainly written Bible?

1,130 posted on 06/04/2013 1:13:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
Adam and Eve were of one flesh (Genesis 2:24) so the sin was shared equally.

And if a con-joined set of twins are separated, and one then kills someone; do they BOTH go to jail?

1,131 posted on 06/04/2013 1:14:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

There are none so blind as those who WILL not see.


1,132 posted on 06/04/2013 1:21:34 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MeganC; BipolarBob; Greetings_Puny_Humans; jobim; Natural Law; johngrace
NYer, Your demand for myself to recognize your post with a response is an act of pride and where your Church identifies pride as a mortal sin you’ll appreciate that I’m not wanting to contribute to your eternal damnation by indulging said sinful pride. If your post warranted a response then the need for one would be self-evident and a less prideful person would be accepting of this determination.

Dear Megan ... there is nothing prideful about responding to someone's statement, with a question. You posted this statement: Maybe you might want to ask Catholic kids to read the Bible. It’s a radical idea, I know, but still..., and in a sarcastic manner.

Another freeper picked up the theme with his statement: Studying the Bible instead of dull text books would probably work out better. Of course, they’d probably come out not being Catholic though, but that’s fine with Christ., also in a sarcastic manner.

I agreed with you both on the value of children learning the Bible but scripture alone does not address all the contemporary issues that we face in life - or does it? For that reason, I posed this question:

You may have a point! Please show me what the Bible says about in-vitro fertilization, contraception and divorce ... what does it say about two people living together outside of marriage. I'll grant you the graphics in the Baltimore Catechism are dated but the material is current, all of it based on scripture.

You posted your statement at comment #3 and I posed the question on comment #54. It has taken until comment #1118 for you to respond, not with a direct response but as a personal attack. If you don't know where scripture addresses these issues, all you have to do is say so.

Pax et Bonum

1,133 posted on 06/04/2013 1:31:48 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: Natural Law
One the contrary, Paul explains how by the sin of one man, sin entered the world and by the righteousness of one man, Jesus, redemption came.

Sin didn't come through mankind. It clearly teaches ONE MAN.

Romans 5 could not be written more plainly. Paul even names that one man whose transgression brought the sin in verse 14.

Romans 5:14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

The depths of brainwashing that exists in Catholicism that keeps one from being able to read and understand the clear meaning of simply everyday words to communicate something is staggering.

Satan is still getting mileage out of that line of "Did God really say..... "?

1,134 posted on 06/04/2013 1:34:11 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsie
"Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man..."

...and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned."

Unless "men" means all humanity you have you proof that all women are without sin and will never die. You sure you want to got here?

Peace be to you

1,135 posted on 06/04/2013 1:34:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: NYer; MeganC
I agreed with you both on the value of children learning the Bible but scripture alone does not address all the contemporary issues that we face in life - or does it?

Of course it does.

God put in there everything we need to make correct moral decisions.

1,136 posted on 06/04/2013 1:36:20 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Romans 5 could not be written more plainly."

The proof to the contrary is that there is not complete unanimity on interpretation and without an authority other that what it means to the individual your interpretation is no more valid than mine or Pol Pots.

"Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment." - 1 Corinthians 1:10

Should we take a vote?

1,137 posted on 06/04/2013 1:42:39 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom

“God put in (the Bible) everything we need to make correct moral decisions.”

Exactly.


1,138 posted on 06/04/2013 1:49:52 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
...what the majority of the Magisteriums says, goes. It does not have to be unanimous.

Ping for later

1,139 posted on 06/04/2013 1:52:18 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: metmom
God put in there everything we need to make correct moral decisions.

Please show me what the Bible says about in-vitro fertilization, contraception and divorce ... what does it say about two people living together outside of marriage. I really would like to know.

1,140 posted on 06/04/2013 1:58:28 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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