Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer
What a stunning rebuttal.
Word of mouth, aka tradition, is notoriously unreliable. With the written word, at least one can go back and check what was written to verify it.
But your reply doesn’t answer the question. It merely changes the topic.
That’s actually contrary to what scripture says. Sin entered the world when Eve chose to disobey God and eat of the apple.
What makes you think that everything God is is encompassed in scripture?
My bible includes books in addition to the book of Acts.
So, you don’t have an answer.
I have seen that question asked thousands of times in these threads and asked of metmom hundreds of times. You won't get an answer, you know.
What do you call a theology that demands proof?
Oh, yes, I know. It’s a tradition of men, Protestant men to be exact!
That would be a first! ;o)
Let us go to Genesis 3.
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
So Eve DID know right from wrong. It does not show that sin is from the father to the child. Also; if there is no father because of developing scientific procedure, does that mean that those individuals are sinless?
What do you think that Once Saved Always Saved means? What do you think comes from the belief that one cannot lose one’s salvation no matter what he does? You have seen as much as I have here and elsewhere from individuals who essentially feel free to do what they want whenever they want to, to the extent that they want to, simply because they believe themselves saved.
Oh??
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--
I've TOLD you at least a million times not to exaggerate!
But, but GOD tell her the Rule; or did Adam?
The bible is silent.
Eve added "neither shall ye touch it".
Where did THAT come from?
GOD?
Adam?
Her Talking snake?
Her imagination?
The bible is silent.
http://www.scborromeo.org/papers/assume.pdf
is about as demonstrative as the books of the Bible say. However, the Church has beliefs in parallel with Scripture, for example, the Didache, that did not make it into final Scripture, that is still held to be true.
You're wrong.
Read and learn...
Genesis 3:3-7 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” 4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. 7 the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.
Romans 5:12 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin,
Romans 5:17-19 17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. 18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.
I know Catholics like to say that sin came through Eve so that Mary can be lifted up as the redeemer, that she rectifies Eve's sin just as Scripture says Jesus did for Adam's, that is NOT what Scripture says. It does not say that sin entered the world through Eve.
Here's a link to the rest of Romans 5 which addresses it.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5&version=ESV
Pssttt.... The Bible doesn't say it was an apple, either. Another myth people have been duped into believing. Your ignorance of correct Scriptural teaching is showing again.
What makes you ask? Did I say or imply that?
No.
Or are you assuming again?
*Scripture alone* for what?
Do you believe everything that someone says about God that comes down the pike just because they say so?
2 Timothy 3:14-17 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Are you saying then, that Catholicism doesn't appeal to Scripture to support any of it's doctrines? Like the papacy, the perpetual virginity of Mary, transubstantiation, infant baptism, etc?
This is what it means....
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 10:25-30 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 21 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, 22 and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 4 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
What do you think comes from the belief that one cannot lose one’s salvation no matter what he does? You have seen as much as I have here and elsewhere from individuals who essentially feel free to do what they want whenever they want to, to the extent that they want to, simply because they believe themselves saved.
Oh yeah? Post numbers please.......
On the contrary, anyone who really thinks that way is not saved because nobody who is saved will take that salvation so lightly. It's not fire insurance or a get out of hell free card.
Romans 6:1-19 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
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