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To: CynicalBear

What do you think that Once Saved Always Saved means? What do you think comes from the belief that one cannot lose one’s salvation no matter what he does? You have seen as much as I have here and elsewhere from individuals who essentially feel free to do what they want whenever they want to, to the extent that they want to, simply because they believe themselves saved.


1,031 posted on 06/03/2013 5:35:16 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear
What do you think that Once Saved Always Saved means?

This is what it means....

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 10:25-30 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 21 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, 22 and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 4 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

What do you think comes from the belief that one cannot lose one’s salvation no matter what he does? You have seen as much as I have here and elsewhere from individuals who essentially feel free to do what they want whenever they want to, to the extent that they want to, simply because they believe themselves saved.

Oh yeah? Post numbers please.......

On the contrary, anyone who really thinks that way is not saved because nobody who is saved will take that salvation so lightly. It's not fire insurance or a get out of hell free card.

Romans 6:1-19 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.


1,040 posted on 06/03/2013 6:49:12 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
You don’t honestly think that I’m going to take that as an answer to my question do you? Seriously Mark, you made a statement that demands you show who made such a statement that you claimed. Here’s my question again to refresh your memory.

“Would you please show from posts by non Catholics that they have stated that belief please.”

Now if you can’t show where someone made the claim that “They consider themselves double 0 - naught. Licence to sin” then you need to admit that you are either making a false statement or injecting meaning into their words that aren’t there. I have never seen anyone even come close to making that claim and if I ever did I would understand that they are definitely not saved nor do they understand what salvation is. For you to publicly say they did make that claim demands proof.

1,051 posted on 06/03/2013 2:24:41 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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