Vatican Punishes French Priest for Being a Freemason

BBC ^ | 5/24/13

[marshmallow]

A Roman Catholic parish priest at an elite French ski resort has been stripped of his Church functions for refusing to renounce Freemasonry.

Father Pascal Vesin was ordered by his bishop to cease his work in the Alpine resort of Megeve, the parish said.

Bishop Yves Boivineau had warned Fr Vesin about his "active membership" of the Grand Orient de France lodge.

Freemasonry has been condemned as anti-Christian and anti-clerical by various popes through history.

Bishop Boivineau ordered the priest to cease his functions "at Rome's request", the parish said.

In March, the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - effectively the Church's watchdog - asked for the priest's departure.

[Coleus]

Oh and by the way they do pretty much the same as Masons DO!!! >>

Do the masons pray outside of and counsel women entering an abortion clinic? Do the masons rally against gay marriage? Do the masons co-sponsor and make signs for and marshal at the March for Life? Do the masons buy ultrasound machines to save the lives of babies in the womb? Do the masons support crisis-pregnancy centers? Do the masons advocate for school-voucher programs? Do the masons raise money for scholarships to Catholic schools? Do the masons support priestly vocations and seminarians? Do the masons write letters to seminarians? Do the masons pray the rosary for peace, vocations and other intentions? Do the masons have a Catholic priest as their chaplain? Do the masons support the Vatican?

If you are practicing roman Catholic and want to help the church, you join the Knights of Columbus and not the masons.

[Coleus]

Saint Maximilian Kolbe - Feast Day, August 14th

During his time as a student, he witnessed vehement demonstrations against Popes St. Pius X and Benedict XV by the Freemasons in Rome and was inspired to organize the Militia Immaculata, or Army of Mary, to work for conversion of sinners and the enemies of the Catholic Church through the intercession of the Virgin Mary. In 1918, he was ordained a priest. In the conservative publications of the Militia Immaculatae, he particularly condemned Freemasonry, Communism, Zionism, Capitalism and Imperialism.

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[Salvation]

According to whom?

[Coleus]

Freemasonic Mexican Revolution and the Cristeros Martyrs - YouTube
Thousands of Catholic Priests were murdered in Mexico during the 1920's

Freemason Persecution of Catholics in Mexico [Catholic Caucus]

Beatification for Cristeros martyrs

[joseph20]

Apples meet Oranges.

Saying that good atheists will go to heaven has zilch to do with removal of priesthood due to being a freemason.

Geez, what a screwed up bunch of opinions yourself!

[ConorMacNessa]

I have to admit, I don't know much about Freemasonry. But as you point out, Coleus, the Knights, of whom I'm proud to be a member, do extensive work for life, not only life of the pre-born and life of those with special needs, but also of the poor.

My own Council spearheads the Share Program in Central Maryland, a program that delivers thousands of dollars worth of groceries on a monthly basis to those in need, whether by virtue of poverty, physical disability, or advanced age.

My Brothers have stood in prayer before local abortion mills and have lobbied our State Legislature vigorously in favor of pro-life bills. They have manned soup kitchens, run havens for the homeless in cold weather, and manned concession stands at college and professional sports events to raise money for the causes that we support.

It is not my intent to disparage Freemasons, but we don't seem to encounter them in these pursuits. I am well aware of the work they do in their hospitals, but I'm constrained to ask, in this age when the basic tenets of Christianity, not just Catholic Christianity, but the core Christian principles that bind us all together and that underlie the Great and Free Nation in which we live are under concerted attack, what will they do do preserve the Right to Life? Life is the first and foremost of that immortal triad set forth in our Declaration of Independence and it is being shredded to pieces by the Government, by Academia, and by the Fifth Column that masquerades as the Press in this age.

The Knights of Columbus and the Catholic Church of which they are part are pro-life whatever pain they may endure, whatever obstacles they may encounter and whatever result may ensue, whatever.

What say you, Freemasons?



"Riamh nár dhruid ó sbairn lann!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

[Romulus]

Nobody said that.

Only a fool relies on anti-Catholic media to report accurately on Catholic matters.

[octex]

Only a fool relies on anti-Catholic media to report accurately on Catholic matters.
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Only a fool relies on anti-Masonic rhetoric/lies from Catholics to accurately describe the Masons.

My dad was a Mason for over 55 years.

[verga]

A sincere thank you for such a well worded and accurate reply. It is a pleasure to read truth expressed so well.

[verga]

KoC was created as an alternative for Catholics to join instead of Masonry!!!

No it was not. It was created to provide low cost insurance for lower income Roman Catholic men and economic assistance for their widows and orphans in the vent of their untimely death. We are a fraternal organization as is the fremasons but that is where the similarity ends.

Our local chapter has raised money to build a meeting hall for our parish, we assist with students wanting to go to world youth day, support a camp for mentally challenged youth, etc....

[ontap]

The Masonic Lodge created and supports the largest burn center and cripple children’s hospitals in the US among hundreds of other charitable events annually. And no the Masons do not participate in political controversies of either party nor to they promote the Catholic church or any other denomination. As I stated Masonry is not a substitute for church and does not wish to be!!! I have no desire to berate KoC, I think it is a fine organization and Masons work hand in hand with KoC in numerous communities. As to the reason KoC was created I stand by my original post....it is not that hard to research....maybe you should put forth the effort!!!!

[ontap]

The Knights of Columbus was founded by an Irish-American Catholic priest, the Venerable Father Michael J. McGivney in New Haven, Connecticut. He gathered a group of men from St. Mary’s Parish for an organizational meeting on October 2, 1881 and the Order was incorporated under the laws of the U.S. state of Connecticut on March 29, 1882.[2] Though the first councils were all in that state, the Order spread throughout New England and the United States in subsequent years.

The primary motivation for the Order was to be a mutual benefit society. As a parish priest in an immigrant community, McGivney saw what could happen to a family when the breadwinner died, and wanted to provide insurance to care for the widows and orphans left behind. He had to temporarily leave his seminary studies to care for his family when his father died.[7] In the late 19th century, Catholics were regularly excluded from labor unions and other organizations that provided social services.[8] In addition, Catholics were either barred from many of the popular fraternal organizations, or, as in the case of Freemasonry, forbidden from joining by the Catholic Church itself. McGivney wished to provide them an alternative. He also believed that Catholicism and fraternalism were not incompatible and wished to found a society that would encourage men to be proud of their American-Catholic heritage.[9]

McGivney traveled to Boston to examine the Massachusetts Catholic Order of Foresters and to Brooklyn to learn about the recently established Catholic Benevolent League, both of which offered insurance benefits. He found the latter to be lacking the excitement he thought was needed if his organization were to compete with the secret societies of the day. He expressed an interest in establishing a New Haven Court of the Foresters, but the charter of Massachusetts Foresters prevented them from operating outside their Commonwealth. The committee of St. Mary’s parishioners which McGivney had assembled then decided to form a club that was entirely original.[10]

McGivney had originally conceived of the name “Sons of Columbus”, but James T. Mullen, who would become the first Supreme Knight, successfully suggested that “Knights of Columbus” would better capture the ritualistic nature of the new organization.[11]

Christopher Columbus is the patron and namesake of the Knights.
The name of Columbus was also partially intended as a mild rebuke to Anglo-Saxon Protestant leaders, who upheld the explorer (a Catholic Genovese Italian working for Catholic Spain) as an American hero, yet simultaneously sought to marginalize recent Catholic immigrants. In taking Columbus as their patron, they were sending the message that not only could Catholics be full members of American society, but were, in fact, instrumental in its foundation.[12]

By the time of the first annual convention in 1884, the Order was prospering. In the five councils throughout Connecticut there were 459 members. Groups from other states were requesting information.[13] The Charter of 1899 included four statements of purpose, including “to promote such social and intellectual intercourse among its members as shall be desirable and proper, and by such lawful means as to them shall seem best.”[14] The new charter showed members’ desire to grow the organization beyond a simple mutual benefit insurance society.

The original insurance system devised by McGivney gave a deceased Knight’s widow a $1,000 death benefit. Each member was assessed $1 upon a death, and when the number of Knights grew beyond 1,000 the assessment decreased according to the rate of increase.[15] Each member, regardless of age, was assessed equally. As a result, younger, healthier members could expect to pay more over the course of their lifetimes than those men who joined when they were older.[16] There was also a Sick Benefit Deposit for members who fell ill and could not work. Each sick Knight was entitled to draw up to $5 a week for 13 weeks (roughly equivalent to $125.75 in 2009 dollars[17]). If he remained sick after that, the council to which he belonged regulated the sum of money given to him.[18]

Around 1912 it was claimed that fourth degree Knights had to swear an oath to exterminate Freemasons and Protestants. Despite the fact that it was denied, and the real oath published, this was read into the congressional record by Thomas S. Butler. In the 1928 Presidential election a million copies were printed to hurt the campaign of the Catholic Democratic candidate Al Smith.[19]

In 2010, the cause for McGivney’s canonization was before the Congregation for the Causes of Saints. A guild[20] had been formed to promote his cause. On March 15, 2008, Pope Benedict XVI approved a decree recognizing the heroic virtue of Father Michael J. McGivney, founder of the Knights of Columbus. The pope’s declaration significantly advances the priest’s process toward sainthood, and gives the parish priest the distinction of “Venerable Servant of God.” If the cause is successful, he will be the first priest born in the United States to be canonized as a Saint.[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Columbus

Took two minutes!!!!

[knarf]

Thanx .. I appreciate your post

[verga]

Thank you for repeating in much longer form what I said.

[Carpe Cerevisi]

What Did Pope Francis REALLY Say About Atheists?:

http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=51106

[NKP_Vet]

Difference in Masons and KOC is the KOC believe in the Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. There are no other Gods. That’s it. Freemasons believe in a door knob being a god or anything else you might want to call a “higher power. Sort of like Alcoholics Anonymous.

[Coleus]

you’re welcome, I hope the information posted answered your question. If you need further information, you can let me know.

[Coleus]

As to the reason KoC was created I stand by my original post....it is not that hard to research....maybe you should put forth the effort!!!! >>

your post stated that the organizations do the same, they do not. I am well aware of the Shriners’ hospitals and know someone who sent their child to the one in Philadelphia. The KofC started because of Anti-Catholic bigotry some by the masons and other Protestants, so they are nothing alike, the K of C is a mutual benefit society, the masons are not. Because of the anti-Catholic bigotry by the WASP’s, masons and protestants, the Catholics in this country had a high mortality rate, many men had dangerous and labor-intensive jobs which caused them to die at a young age causing many widows and orphans who could not sustain themselves financially and that’s what the K of C is about: sustaining a catholic man’s family in case of death or disability through insurance products, the K of C now has over $80 billion in force.

If you read another post I made to a FReeper on this thread, many priests were murdered in Mexico by the Freemason and Socialist regime in the 1920’s; it is not that hard to research....maybe you should put forth the effort!!!!

[JimRed]

Freemasonry has been condemned as anti-Christian and anti-clerical by various popes through history.

Since everything about Freemasonry is secret to non-members, how would those Popes know?

If the priest saw a conflict with his vows to the Church, would he not have left the Freemasons?

[BlackElk]

octex:

I received my first three degrees in the Knights of Columbus in Connecticut 49 years ago this year and my Fourth Degree the following year. The council I belonged to was one of the biggest in that state where the K of C was founded, incorporated and is still headquartered. There was a Masonic Lodge Hall one block from our loK of C Hall.

We had a bar at the K of C Hall with a private club license (and verrrrry low prices for drinks compared with other bars with public licenses) and the bar was open seven days a week from about noon until legal closing time (1 or 2 AM). You had to be a member or guest to enter the bar room.

One afternoon an elderly man named Charlie and his similarly elderly wife wife rang the door bell and asked whether a Mason was welcome. We signed both into our guest book and socialized with them. They were very nice folks who were associated with the nearby Masonic Lodge and the Order of the Eastern Star.

They seemed a bit lonesome and wanted a daytime place to socialize. Except for those rare times when we had either degrees being conducted or during meetings when the bar was closed to members and all others, Charlie and his wife were always welcome and spent many afternoons at our club. We also told Charlie to feel free to bring his lodge members to our club and that they would be admitted to the bar as guests. He did not bring many of them. Maybe they were less interested in socializing with us than were Charlie and his wife.

There is something in substantially Catholic (at least nominally) Connecticut called "Brotherhood in Action" in which Knights, Masonic Lodge members and B'Nai Brith members cooperate in good privately funded works for the poor and for veterans and for the disabled and for the elderly.

Back in the 1920s, there was substantial strife among these brotherhoods but that is largely over with now. The Vatican has never relented in excommunicating (latae sententiae) those Catholics who become Masons for religious reasons having to do with several Masonic Degrees (IIRC: 3rd, 9th and 30th among them). That does not mean that we Knights ought to disrespect or dislike members of the Lodges just because they are Masons. I have friends who are even Democrats but even more friends who are Masons, as it should be.

Also, it is my understanding that there are substantial distinctions between Masonic Lodges in the United States and the so-called "Oriental Lodges" of Europe and elsewhere and absolute differences between the Masonic Lodges in the United States and the infamous lodges that ruled Mexico under the likes of Placido Calles during the Cristero War of the 1920s and related martyrdoms of priests and other Catholics as portrayed in the recent film For Greater Glory.

May God bless your dad.