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Is This Good News? (RC Claim all can be saved without Jesus)
White Horse Inn Blog ^ | 24 May 2013 | Michael Horton

Posted on 05/24/2013 6:25:25 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Salvation

What non=Catholics are you talking about?

Christ may have died for everyone, but not all will accept him and be saved. There were 2 thieves on the cross with Jesus, but only one saw Christ in Paradise.


61 posted on 05/24/2013 9:19:04 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: MNDude; Gamecock; Salvation; Alex Murphy
From your article:

The Pope has not only stated that everyone is included in redemption, but that it's not a matter of faith. It's a matter of duty to do good. Do good things and we'll all meet around the Crystal Sea.

It's refreshing to hear the Pope honestly preach the Catholic doctrine.

62 posted on 05/24/2013 10:10:00 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Gamecock
I got saved when I was reading the Douay-Rheims Bible!

P.S. ,,, and NOT when I got infant-baptized, communioned or confirmed.

1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever."

Douay-Rheims 1899

63 posted on 05/24/2013 10:42:50 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Good answer.


64 posted on 05/24/2013 1:04:20 PM PDT by tiki
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To: DManA
When you think the Pope means one thing some Catholic will come along and tell you you are wrong. If you then change your mind to agree with the first Catholic another Catholic will come along and tell you you are still wrong.

ROTFL! Welcome to my world!

65 posted on 05/24/2013 1:22:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Gamecock

Christ did Redeem all, but all will not be Saved. Before Christ died we were all condemned to hell, not necessarily because we had actually done wrong but because Heaven was barred to us. Redemption means Heaven is no longer barred. It does not mean we can be sure of our admission.


66 posted on 05/24/2013 2:54:40 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: newheart

So his speech had nothing to do with who shall be Saved.


67 posted on 05/24/2013 2:58:44 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance
So his speech had nothing to do with who shall be Saved.

If I understand correctly, yes. It has a lot to do with who can be saved, but as for who will be saved, no.

68 posted on 05/24/2013 3:41:12 PM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Campion

I would hope you are exactly correct in what you (and CatholicVote.org) believe that the Pope was really saying. But isn’t it somewhat baffling as to why the Pope would, first, even put out there a statement that is so ambiguous as to be misinterpreted by so many decent people, including many faithful Catholics; but more even more puzzling is why he’s just letting it hang there! Do not the faithful Catholics of the world deserve some sort of a “clarification”, at least? Even if the clarification came from one of his underlings, it would go a long way to clear up what you and some others believe to be a misunderstanding.


69 posted on 05/24/2013 4:33:28 PM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: DManA
You can never tell. When you think the Pope means one thing some Catholic will come along and tell you you are wrong.

If you then change your mind to agree with thge first Catholic another Catholic will come along and tell you you are still wrong.

That's so true.......

70 posted on 05/24/2013 4:44:28 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

hehe

Keyboard Catholics are frequently more Catholic than the Pope.


71 posted on 05/24/2013 4:55:02 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Mad Dawg
Therefore, in our system, to say that redemption is for all, is NOT the same as saying all are saved. And to take one part of our system out of ours and view in in terms of yours can only give a false evaluation of what how that part works in our system.

Ours??? Yours??? How about God's??? (which is the same as ours, btw.)

No one outside the body of Christ is redeemed...And to be more precise, the 'new man' and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer is the 'earnest money, the down payment of the future redemption of the believer...No atheists of muzlims have redemption without a trust in Jesus Christ as the Savior...

72 posted on 05/24/2013 5:47:13 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Truth2012
Once again, the Pope shows he has not read the Bible. How sad. He is robbing people of great joy with his false teachings.

I'd guess he probably read it...But the bible doesn't jive with Catholic theology so he's certainly not going to quote much of it...

73 posted on 05/24/2013 5:51:19 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Miles the Slasher
I think the writer is reading too much out of what Pope Frances said. It is true to say in Christian orthodoxy that all men and women have been redeemed. So, it is also true to say the atheist has been redeemed.

Completely untrue...And that's why so many Christians and Catholics are up in arms over the false teaching...

74 posted on 05/24/2013 5:55:15 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Christ’s Church has always taught that salvation is possible for non-Christians.

How can this be possible if Christ’s atoning death makes our salvation possible?

If anyone is saved, it is through Christ.

Faith in Christ is one condition of salvation. True faith requires, and is reflected in, good works.

“But I say, ‘How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.’”

An atheist who does good for its own sake demonstrates an implicit faith in, and love of, God, who is Goodness Itself.

Similarly, if an atheist pursues truth to the best of his ability, then he pursues God, who is Truth Itself. If the atheist does not realize an explicit Faith, through no fault of his own, his salvation is still possible.

Nevertheless, explicit faith in Christ, and union with His Church, is the normative and most sure means of salvation. Atheism is obviously a dangerous road to travel.


75 posted on 05/24/2013 6:19:57 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: newheart

I agree that we should show love to everyone, even people who don’t believe. I just am not going to lie to them about the truth.


76 posted on 05/24/2013 6:22:27 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

Nor will I. And neither will the Pope.


77 posted on 05/24/2013 6:26:51 PM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

What were the good works of those crucified with Jesus?


78 posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:41 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Iscool

I have been attending a messianic congregation for some time, and for the first time in my adult life, I have a semblance of an organized religion.

I saw some of this organized religion when I was a young Methodist.

However, as a evangelical, we don’t observe religious practices, and that is where I was for the past 15 years or so.

SO- that being said. I do understand that the organized religion can bring comfort, (which is what my Catholic friends tell me is what they like about their Catholicism). They like the order, the routine. I can’t say that I blame them for that.

My concern for Catholics is that they do not study the Bible for themselves, they are not open to revelation, and they do not understand the ministry of the Holy Spirit, from what I have seen.

Therefore they do not understand the victory they have over darkness, while we are here in this place called the world.


79 posted on 05/24/2013 6:38:41 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: DonkeyBonker
Boy are they gonna be surprised!

You know! Link to heaven, please. (And not to your Babble, God doesn't read.)

80 posted on 05/24/2013 6:40:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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