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To: piusv
You’re wrong Iscool. Paul states that Jesus died for all and that God wishes all to be saved.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Again, no atheists...No muzlims...

22 posted on 05/23/2013 5:24:06 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

What I get from all of this, the homily, the subsequent discussions, and the Scripture itself, is that Pope Francis was speaking to the cleansing act of the Crucifixion. That it took the place of EVERY sin for EVERY man, woman, and child. It redeems all mankind in its role as sacrifice.

What is missing, as far as I can tell, is the explanation that people can still turn their backs on the gift. People can still reject Christ, reject the gift of redemption, reject Grace, and reject the crucifixion. This rejection does not supersede the redemption of the crucifixion, but it certainly prevents the ultimate salvation God desires for us all.

As far as I can tell, it’s an issue of the bigger picture. And while I may not be a Biblical scholar with a PhD, I am confident in my understanding of the Scripture, my humble knowledge of Church teachings, and the way it all comes together with this homily and our role in Christ’s Church.


23 posted on 05/23/2013 5:48:45 AM PDT by HushTX (I make libs rage quit.)
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To: Iscool
John 3:16 speaks of individuals accepting Jesus. By doing so they are saved (salvation). Redemption, on the other hand, gives all men the *opportunity* to make such a choice. His redemptive death does that.

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2)

And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. (2 Corinthians 5:15)

So, I agree with you...no atheists or Muslims..because they have not accepted Christ. The Pope is not saying that they are saved. He is saying what Paul says above...that he died for all.

However, I absolutely agree that, although not his intention, what he says sends the wrong message...and I do find that troubling. It doesn't make me waver in the Catholic Faith however.

28 posted on 05/23/2013 1:28:43 PM PDT by piusv
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